Western Railroad Discussion > Derailment Tehachapi

Did not catch the train but they have cars on the ground. DS is taking down the signal at MP342 Cliff.
Dennis

UP North 5443

BNSF holding train at Bissell for the derailment at Cliff.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/23/14 11:15 by cajon.

String line at the middle right of way X-ing
Both main and siding effected.

Gary



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/23/14 13:02 by P5r24.

Here's hoping for some Coast detours...

The picture I have from the derial site shows
a group of centerbeam lumber cars flopped over
from the main onto the siding at the maintenance
road X-ing closer to the middle of Cliff siding.
I'll try and get it posted on here,

Gary

Well Sorry guys,

it won't let me post an Iphone pic on here? :-(

The centerbeams are emptys.



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 04/24/14 05:30 by P5r24.

P5r24 Wrote:
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> The picture I have from the U.P. Hi-railer shows
> a group of centerbeam lumber cars flopped over
> from the main onto the siding at the maintenance
> road X-ing closer to the south end of Cliff
> siding.
>
> Gary

That would be this xing on Google Maps- http://goo.gl/maps/jNYdy

mapboy

This sort of thing sure seems to happen a lot more than it should. Or is it the miracle of the Internet that hearing about it is faster and more widespread?

Tom Y

mapboy Wrote:
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> P5r24 Wrote:
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> > The picture I have from the derailment site
> shows
> > a group of centerbeam lumber cars flopped over
> > from the main onto the siding at the
> maintenance
> > road X-ing closer to the south end of Cliff
> > siding.
> >
> > Gary
>
> That would be this xing on Google Maps-
>
> mapboy


That is correct.
actually this x-ing is sorta near the middle of cliff siding-
not the x-ing at the south switch.


Gary



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 04/24/14 08:43 by P5r24.

Really hope we aren't going to see a repeat of last year and the number of derailments that took place on the Mojave sub. This is about the time of year when they get started last year.

Scott

One might start looking for a UDE at the rear of the train, setting up the brakes hard and tipping over those tall, light cars. Certainly wasn't pulling the train here if it was a northbound.
(Empty lumber flats should be going north....)

Nasty stuff. Curious if it was DPU equipped, they should help reduce many of the UDE triggers.

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> One might start looking for a UDE at the rear of
> the train, ...

P5r24 Wrote:
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> String line at the middle right of way X-ing
> Both main and siding effected.
>
> Gary


String line? Going down hill? Are you sure Gary?


V

SLOCONDR

icancmp193 Wrote:
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> This sort of thing sure seems to happen a lot more
> than it should. Or is it the miracle of the
> Internet that hearing about it is faster and more
> widespread?

I think you're onto something here.... ;)

Most north trains that I have seen would have one DPU engine on the rear, and sometime a lot of empty lumber cars in front of the DPU.
Dennis

HA !!!!!!!!!!... when will they these derailment prone trains ... give those yardmasters a raise for building these derailment prone trains with empty flats(centerbeams included) in the middle of a heavy train that has to negotiate an uphill grade on a curve ...

SLOCONDR Wrote:
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> P5r24 Wrote:
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> > String line at the middle right of way X-ing
> > Both main and siding effected.
> >
> > Gary
>
>
> String line? Going down hill? Are you sure Gary?
>
>
>
> SLOCONDR

MWCRV is the train symbol.
Same as the stringline derailment at Cable crossover few months back, ...northbound...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/23/14 14:44 by P5r24.

Out_Of_Service Wrote:
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> HA !!!!!!!!!!... when will they these derailment
> prone trains ... give those yardmasters a raise
> for building these derailment prone trains with
> empty flats(centerbeams included) in the middle of
> a heavy train that has to negotiate an uphill
> grade on a curve ...

Downhill...

Well, UP runs the MWCRV and MWCRVB like this all the time so you would think if it was really an issue there would be even more derailments.

Besides we aren't even sure what happened...Buff forces? DPU lost continuity with the lead unit? Broken wheel?


Allen

bradleymckay Wrote:
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> Out_Of_Service Wrote:
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> -----
> > HA !!!!!!!!!!... when will they these
> derailment
> > prone trains ... give those yardmasters a raise
> > for building these derailment prone trains with
> > empty flats(centerbeams included) in the middle
> of
> > a heavy train that has to negotiate an uphill
> > grade on a curve ...
>
> Downhill...
>
> Well, UP runs the MWCRV and MWCRVB like this all
> the time so you would think if it was really an
> issue there would be even more derailments.
>
> Besides we aren't even sure what happened...Buff
> forces? DPU lost continuity with the lead unit?
> Broken wheel?
>
>
> Allen


Thank you. To add, the yardmaster has nothing to do with it. The trains are build properly to comply with the restrictions in the time table and special instructions. If there is an issue with the train makeup requirements, the blame lies way higher up than the yardmaster.

Empty lumber cars stringlining is has become an too common occurrence.

Here is a May 2012 aerial of a southbound manifest approaching the mow crossing at Cliff near where today's apparent stringline occurred.

A derailment similar to the one today occurred in the same location on 2/21/03, 11 years ago. I was at Bealville when it happened. Here is a TO click-on to the 2011 thread.


http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?1,228529,228529#msg-228529

Yes, a stringline of empty lumber cars on a northbound train when the rear DPU apparently shut down while the head end was in tunnel 5.

Today's derailment will be quickly cleaned up with trains running again well before dawn.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/23/14 16:52 by cinder.

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Out_Of_Service Wrote:
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> HA !!!!!!!!!!... when will they these derailment
> prone trains ... give those yardmasters a raise
> for building these derailment prone trains with
> empty flats(centerbeams included) in the middle of
> a heavy train that has to negotiate an uphill
> grade on a curve ...

Except this train was going downhill at the time...