Western Railroad Discussion > Familiarizing Myself With the EMD Tier 4 in Indio

Yesterday while camping along the Salton sea the El Centro hauler rolled by in the dark headed towards Colton, with Union Pacific's two tier 4 SD70ACes in consist. These units have been spending the last few weeks bad ordered in various yards in CA (3014 in Colton and 3012 in Roseville), and supposedly this was a sort of test run for them. So I was surprised to wake up and find out only UP 3012 had made it to Colton. I headed to Indio, figuring 3014 had been set out, and sure enough It was there. As a bonus a crew was hooking up two other units to it and appeared to be getting ready to work around the yard, so I decided to use this as an opportunity to see the engine in action. 

Note: you may want to turn your volume up for the first part of the video. It was taken on my phone from across the yard, so hearing the new Caterpillar/EMD 4 stroke prime mover fire up may be a bit difficult. 

Travus 



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/21/17 08:58 by suvart.

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Good show.   The puffy white clouds and palm trees are refreshing after all this rain.   Unfortunately, the unit doesn't have much sound to it, other than an older MCI bus idling.  Hopefully future GE's will continue to have some sound.
Thanks for the video.

One of my favorite train watching locations when i get down that way , date shake is also a must lol .thanks for sharing .Greg

Nice video! 3014 purring like a big cat...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/21/17 08:07 by exhaustED.

It has a EMD 12 cylinder  not cat engine

Grand87 Wrote:
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> It has a EMD 12 cylinder  not cat engine

​There's CAT in it's linage, along with a good dose of EMD.

Grand87 Wrote:
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> It has a EMD 12 cylinder  not cat engine

It's an 'EMD product' but there has certainly been some cat/progress rail involvement apparently...

Grand87 Wrote:
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> It has a EMD 12 cylinder  not cat engine

Noted, changed it to Cat/EMD. 

12-cylinder, four-stroke EMD-developed 1010 diesel engine. EMD isn’t providing many technical details of how it attained Tier 4, only saying that it has done this without the use of urea as an aftertreatment.The 1010 is a radical departure from EMD’s traditional two-stroke engine, which traces its roots to the circa-1939 567, 645 and 710 series engines that immediately preceded it. It is not based on a Caterpillar engine, though, according to Progress Rail President and CEO Billy Ainsworth, it “combines the engineering expertise of Progress Rail, Electro-Motive and Caterpillar.” EMD is a wholly owned subsidiary of Progress Rail Services Corp., a Caterpillar company. EMD’s other Tier 4 offering, the F125 Spirit high-speed passenger locomotive, utilizes a 4,700-hp Caterpillar C175-20 engine.

exhaustED Wrote:
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> > It has a EMD 12 cylinder  not cat engine
>
> It's an 'EMD product' but there has certainly been
> some cat/progress rail involvement apparently...

True, but that 12 cylinder "EMD"  4-stroke engine is STILL a derivative of the previously named "H engine", which was available in both 12 and 16 cylinder versions. The current marketing folks at Progress Rail no longer refer to the 4-stroke as an "H", nor a "265". The current engine model number, has no relation to cubic inch displacement, nor bore, nor stroke. 

Grand87 Wrote:
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> 12-cylinder, four-stroke EMD-developed 1010 diesel
> engine. EMD isn’t providing many technical
> details of how it attained Tier 4, only saying
> that it has done this without the use of urea as
> an aftertreatment.The 1010 is a radical departure
> from EMD’s traditional two-stroke engine, which
> traces its roots to the circa-1939 567, 645 and
> 710 series engines that immediately preceded it.
> It is not based on a Caterpillar engine, though,
> according to Progress Rail President and CEO Billy
> Ainsworth, it “combines the engineering
> expertise of Progress Rail, Electro-Motive and
> Caterpillar.” EMD is a wholly owned subsidiary
> of Progress Rail Services Corp., a Caterpillar
> company. EMD’s other Tier 4 offering, the F125
> Spirit high-speed passenger locomotive, utilizes a
> 4,700-hp Caterpillar C175-20 engine.
This quote was copied from the progressive rail web site.

HotWater Wrote:
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> > > It has a EMD 12 cylinder  not cat engine
> >
> > It's an 'EMD product' but there has certainly
> been
> > some cat/progress rail involvement
> apparently...
>
> True, but that 12 cylinder "EMD"  4-stroke engine
> is STILL a derivative of the previously named "H
> engine", which was available in both 12 and 16
> cylinder versions. The current marketing folks at
> Progress Rail no longer refer to the 4-stroke as
> an "H", nor a "265". The current engine model
> number, has no relation to cubic inch
> displacement, nor bore, nor stroke. 

The engine is called the 'EMD 1010' because the displacement is 1010 cubic inches per cylinder.

yep same engine just less cylinders

No, not the same engine. 'The 1010 is an all-new design, developed with the expertise of EMD, Caterpillar and progress rail engineers'. There is a link to the old 265H but it's not the same! No way that engine from the '90's would pass tier 4...

Fizzboy7 Wrote:
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> Good show.   The puffy white clouds and palm
> trees are refreshing after all this rain.  
> Unfortunately, the unit doesn't have much sound to
> it, other than an older MCI bus idling.
>  Hopefully future GE's will continue to have some
> sound.
> Thanks for the video.

I know  quite a few crew members that would welcome a quiet running motor. Need to remember the crew could care less about how the fans like to hear the roar of a motor starting up and running.

The C-175 Cat and the 1010J3 Emd do have the cross-port heads in common and I would think that the block would have been tweaked a little since the 265 first came out. No telling what else has been improved upon. I sure would like to know.  

KDC Wrote:
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> The C-175 Cat and the 1010J3 Emd do have the
> cross-port heads in common and I would think that
> the block would have been tweaked a little since
> the 265 first came out. No telling what else has
> been improved upon. I sure would like to know.  

Three turbos in two stages...common rail fuel injection...i think are recent developments.

EL-SD45-3632 Wrote:
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> Fizzboy7 Wrote:
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> > Good show.   The puffy white clouds and palm
> > trees are refreshing after all this rain.  
> > Unfortunately, the unit doesn't have much sound
> to
> > it, other than an older MCI bus idling.
> >  Hopefully future GE's will continue to have
> some
> > sound.
> > Thanks for the video.
>
> I know  quite a few crew members that would
> welcome a quiet running motor. Need to remember
> the crew could care less about how the fans like
> to hear the roar of a motor starting up and
> running.

Never realized that the traction MOTORS ever made THAT much noise, especially the AC traction MOTORS.  Now, a quieter running diesel ENGINE would be nice.

HotWater Wrote:
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> EL-SD45-3632 Wrote:
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> > Fizzboy7 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Good show.   The puffy white clouds and palm
> > > trees are refreshing after all this rain.  
> > > Unfortunately, the unit doesn't have much
> sound
> > to
> > > it, other than an older MCI bus idling.
> > >  Hopefully future GE's will continue to have
> > some
> > > sound.
> > > Thanks for the video.
> >
> > I know  quite a few crew members that would
> > welcome a quiet running motor. Need to remember
> > the crew could care less about how the fans
> like
> > to hear the roar of a motor starting up and
> > running.
>
> Never realized that the traction MOTORS ever made
> THAT much noise, especially the AC traction
> MOTORS.  Now, a quieter running diesel ENGINE
> would be nice.

Some people refer to locomotives as motors. I doubt he was talking about traction motors. 

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