Steam & Excursion > C&O 1309 Emergency Stop Brunswick,MD

CSX train L341 from Locust Point Yard, Baltimore to Cumberland,MD is carrying a special high-wide load, C&O steam engine 1309, on July 23, 2014. The engine had been loaded a week earlier at the B&O museum and is being shipped to the Western Maryland Scenic Railroad for restoration. Minutes before the train arrived at Brunswick,MD a tractor trailer knocked over the grade crossing signal at S. Maple Ave. The 341 hits the signal and makes an emergency stop, (not brake application). Fortunately, no damage to the engine or consist.

Video is also available on Youtube:
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/25/14 10:51 by conraillives.

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Very interesting. Notice how the downed crossing gate's flashers were still operating. It's a good thing the 1309 was secured well. Note how the train made toast out of the downed crossing gate...I'm not sure if I would have stood that closse taking video as something could have been knocked in the air when the crossing gate was hit.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/23/14 21:18 by wabash2800.

Maybe it's because I worked for a railroad, but rather than standing there taking video I would have been running up the track give the train a big washout sign.

JBWX

Someone going to get in trouble for that one!

Chris

jbwest Wrote:
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> Maybe it's because I worked for a railroad, but
> rather than standing there taking video I would
> have been running up the track give the train a
> big washout sign.
>
> JBWX

35 years as a railroader….I certainly would have run up the track and gave them a washout.
Chris

Actually did start to run down the track but was called back by a CSX employee arriving on the scene, said it was too dangerous. You can hear the engineer on the scanner saying he can not stop in time.

conraillives Wrote:
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> Actually did start to run down the track but was
> called back by a CSX employee arriving on the
> scene, said it was too dangerous. You can hear the
> engineer on the scanner saying he can not stop in
> time.


And why would you stand on the tracks to film the downed signals if you can hear the train telling the dispatcher they can't stop in time?

That also doesn't appear to be an emergency application. Never heard the air dump. Sounds more like a full service stop.

My first thought would've been to attempt to drag the
signal into the clear. Even if just around it's pivot
point.

Always wonder what happens when a train rolls over
something - do they? How likely is a train to actually
roll over something vs snipping it or shoving it away?

Thanks for sharing the video - gives some insight to
what happens at times when working the line.

/Mitch

bioyans Wrote:
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> conraillives Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Actually did start to run down the track but
> was
> > called back by a CSX employee arriving on the
> > scene, said it was too dangerous. You can hear
> the
> > engineer on the scanner saying he can not stop
> in
> > time.
>
>
> And why would you stand on the tracks to film the
> downed signals if you can hear the train telling
> the dispatcher they can't stop in time?
>

I'm going to THANK the conraillives for sharing the video here. It's certainly not something I expected to see footage of. I might not have stood as close as he did either but at least with a train you can hear and see it coming in broad daylight which gives you time to get out of the way, especially if you can hear on the radio where the train is. But then again, I'm not a railroader so please don't let me stop the armchair quarterbacking.

Yes, Conraillives for sharing the video.

About 10 years ago 84 Lumber built an outlet to the west of the MARC parking lot between the mains in Brunswick, MD. Truck drivers (there is a rail siding into the property, but it is little used) must negotiate a 90 degree turn and go through the parking lot between the mains to get to the outlet. It is a rare day that a truck driver, who has never been there, doesn't drive all the way across both mains on Maple Ave. He realizes that he's missed something and stops to figure out where 84 Lumber is located. There was a sign at the turn point; but it's been gone for years. When a local railfan (it's a tough job, but somebody has to do it) points out the error of his ways, he has to back across the south main or turn his truck around on the south side of the Mains. This is the first time I've seen any damage to railroad property from this (some trucks have been hung up on the crossing briefly); but it's only a matter of time before there's a truck-train collision here.

Gerry



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/24/14 08:14 by GPutz.

Mgoldman Wrote:
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> Always wonder what happens when a train rolls over
>
> something - do they? How likely is a train to
> actually
> roll over something vs snipping it or shoving it
> away?

>
> /Mitch

A perfect example of why most railroads began ordering snow plow pilots on their new locomotives back in the 1970s. The plow sure did did the job on that crossing light system.

video does not play for me. When I click the 'play' button, it freezes. Have tried numerous times. Perhaps when I get home, I can try the tube version....

Easy way to clear an obstruction... :)

Mgoldman Wrote:
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> My first thought would've been to attempt to drag
> the
> signal into the clear. Even if just around it's
> pivot
> point.
>
> Always wonder what happens when a train rolls over
>
> something - do they? How likely is a train to
> actually
> roll over something vs snipping it or shoving it
> away?
>
> Thanks for sharing the video - gives some insight
> to
> what happens at times when working the line.
>
> /Mitch

Depends what it is, Mitch. I've run into downed trees many times, and most often you just shear off the trunk. Only the smallest stuff will go under the plow.

Just curious...is conraillives also HemiPowered on utube? very same video.
if so, good...
from utube...

C&O Steam Locomotive 1309 Makes Emergency Stop - Brunswick,MD
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CSX train L341 from Locust Point Yard, Baltimore to Cumberland,MD is carrying a special high-wide load, C&O steam engine 1309 on July 23, 2014. The engine had been loaded a week earlier at the B&O museum and is being shipped to the Western Maryland Scenic Railroad for restoration. Minutes before the train arrived at Brunswick,MD a tractor trailer knocked over the grade crossing signal at S. Maple Ave. The 341 hits the signal and goes into an emergency brake application. Fortunately, no damage to the engine or consist.
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If not one and the same, just wondering...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/24/14 10:39 by bert14.

kurt765 Wrote:
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> I'm going to THANK the conraillives for sharing
> the video here. It's certainly not something I
> expected to see footage of. I might not have stood
> as close as he did either but at least with a
> train you can hear and see it coming in broad
> daylight which gives you time to get out of the
> way, especially if you can hear on the radio where
> the train is. But then again, I'm not a railroader
> so please don't let me stop the armchair
> quarterbacking.

The "armchair quarterbacking" is based on many years' of experience working around rail equipment, and is intended to keep him from putting himself in harm's way.

Ask my coworkers how many trespassers they have hit in broad daylight, when the now-deceased individuals should have seen and heard the train coming.

If you can hear the train telling them they are too close to something to stop in time, standing on the tracks is not a safe place to be.

My video camera has quite the zoom...just saying.
Roger Beckett

conraillives Wrote:
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> Actually did start to run down the track but was
> called back by a CSX employee arriving on the
> scene, said it was too dangerous. You can hear the
> engineer on the scanner saying he can not stop in
> time.

In that case I guess I would also have kept filming from a safe distance. I wonder if the engineer did put it into emergency, emergency applications have their own risk of unintended consequences. If he could see that the fallen crossing gear was the only thing in the way (no vehicles, no people), perhaps he figured the pilot plow would do its thing and a full service application was safer.

JBWX

I am continually amazed how many trains I see that cannot stop for a known obstruction, yet they tend to come to a stop within a few car lengths of the crossing or wherever they hit that obstruction. What am I missing?

P Wrote:
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> I am continually amazed how many trains I see that
> cannot stop for a known obstruction, yet they tend
> to come to a stop within a few car lengths of the
> crossing or wherever they hit that obstruction.
> What am I missing?

You are missing how the brakes work on a tonnage train. Obviously you are NOT a railroad Engineer!