Steam & Excursion > SP Train 27 and SP Train 27

Ralph Buhr caught SP 4192 and 4326 setting side by side in Roseville both with number 27, The Overland, in their number boards. Don't know if SP changed out units or if the 4326 will be added for the climb up the hill. No date but would guess early 1950's.

Thanks for looking,

Tom

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TTM Wrote:
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Don't know if SP
> changed out units
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> Thanks for looking,
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> Tom


Changed out UNITS?????? I sure didn't see any diesels in that fantastic photo!

On the SP, schedule numbers had to be removed from the indicators either upon arrival at their destination or immediately upon arrival at the RH. This is most likely engine change because the cab forward's top speed was too slow west of Antelope and on the Cal-P.

4326 is on the east main? That was the only way
they could change engines at Roseville?

Two-headed signal with a numberplate (?)...
this is before 1952?

Great photo...and it shows the westbound Overland Limited. Normal practice would have this train powered by an AC from Sparks to Roseville, where power is again changed to the 4300 as shown. I have an SP video which shows this engine change at Roseville. Eastbound, the process would, of course, be reversed. AA

Stanford White
Carmel Valley, CA

Havn't seen many Espee Mountains with the snow-plow.

Ed

HotWater Wrote:
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> TTM Wrote:
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> Don't know if SP
> > changed out units
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> > Thanks for looking,
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> > Tom
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> Changed out UNITS?????? I sure didn't see any
> diesels in that fantastic photo!

Maybe he meant superheater units? (wink-wink!) But yeah, great photo!

VERY impressive photo of two magnificent
locomotives! Man, those were the days!

>4326 is on the east main? That was the only way they could change engines at Roseville?

On through psgr trains, yes.

>Two-headed signal with a numberplate (?)... this is before 1952?

Why not? All the switches were hand throw (thrown by what became known as the 2-4-5 Herder) until the UP started tossing CTC money around. The EB governing signal on the Eastbound at the West end of Watsonville Jct yard was a two-headed, number plated signal, just like the one in the pic. The switches there were hand-throw too.

Looking at the pics in Signor's book, it seems
the usual Roseville engine change pre-1952
used the track just north of the west main.
The semaphore for the west main was north
of that track, with a dummy mast-- no idea
whether the change to a searchlight was part
of the 1952 changes.