Steam & Excursion > Reading 2100

I heard a rumor that the group that owns the Frisco Mikado that is in Illinois and is led by Steve Harvey is planning in getting the Reading 2100 out if Washington and bringing it to Ohio. A friend of mine mentioned this to me last weekend as he knows Steve. Just wondering if this was true?

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I would certainly like this to be true, but to be completely honest I'm not holding my breath for it.

-Brakeman Phil

I think you all should, hold your breath on this one folks. Regards, from Steves Father, Michael E.... in OHIO



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/09/14 09:02 by OARC.

So, has someone with one and a half million dollars, paid off the "lean" in the 2100? Also, the engine and tender will have to be moved on flat cars, just as it was transported to Tacoma in the first place, which means a lot more money involved.

Shouldn't he try to get his first engine going, or even moved,
first? Last I heard, it was still in Illinois.

Ho Ho Ho, another rumor going around. The only truth in the matter is the fact that the locomotive is worth a certain amount, maybe $50,000 scrap value. About one month ago I heard that one of the creditors was trying to get some of his money back and he was willing to go to court to have the engine cut up for scrap for whatever. So it could be that rather than scrap the engine, one could pay the scrap value to buy it. Then he could go ahead and move it, whatever. The big question again is what will it cost to move it and restore it? I too will believe it when I see it.

John in White Marsh, Maryland.

Oh these poor Reading T-1s. And there used to be 30 of them...

ClubCar Wrote:
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> Ho Ho Ho, another rumor going around. The only
> truth in the matter is the fact that the
> locomotive is worth a certain amount, maybe
> $50,000 scrap value. About one month ago I heard
> that one of the creditors was trying to get some
> of his money back and he was willing to go to
> court to have the engine cut up for scrap for
> whatever. So it could be that rather than scrap
> the engine, one could pay the scrap value to buy
> it. Then he could go ahead and move it, whatever.
> The big question again is what will it cost to
> move it and restore it? I too will believe it
> when I see it.
>
> John in White Marsh, Maryland.


Really only 50K scrap value? I might get a second on the house.... As for transport, how did it get to east WA from Tacoma? Could you not do the same trick to move it like the 4014 to move it?

CPRR Wrote:
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As for transport, how did it get
> to east WA from Tacoma? Could you not do the same
> trick to move it like the 4014 to move it?

The BNSF did a "one time" special move. They towed it under low pressure steam, as I recall, eastward thru Stampede tunnel to it's current storage location. Apparently the BNSF mechanical folks were unaware that the 2100 has a bent side rod. Any further distant moves would have to be done on a depressed center flat car, like when it was transported across Canada, and down to Tacoma.

How the #2100 left town, I'm pretty sure it was June 16, 2007, bound for Eastern Washington. Seen here on the Seattle Sub between Tacoma and Auburn, where it turned east.

Ed

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CPRR Wrote:
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> Really only 50K scrap value? I might get a second
> on the house....

Hit the Internet and find today's price for scrap steel.
It will be listed per ton, usually at the mill.

Take the empty weight of the engine and tender, and
deduct items that are not steel, such as lagging and
fire brick and bronze, and rubber. The bronze stuff
has it's own scrap value.

Deduct the costs to cut it up. This includes, but is
not limited to, permits, labor, cutting gases and tools,
a small crane or Bobcat to handle the pieces, and trucking
or rail charges from where the loco is now to the nearest
mill, and unloading.

Whatever is left from this is the scrap value. I'm no
expert, but the net isn't going to be anywhere near
$50,000. Probably less than a third of that when it's
all said and done.

There MAY be some parts that would fetch more as parts
than as scrap. Such as air pumps, dynamo, water pump,
injector, gauges, many steam fittings and valves (NOT
the cheap hardware store junk that Paine added) some
wheelsets, stoker parts, lubricators, and myriad other
things. However, there would be increased labor costs
in finding and carefully removing these things as opposed
to just torching it all.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/09/14 13:59 by Realist.

Realist Wrote:
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> CPRR Wrote:
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> > Really only 50K scrap value? I might get a
> second
> > on the house....
>
> Hit the Internet and find today's price for scrap
> steel.
> It will be listed per ton, usually at the mill.
>
> Take the empty weight of the engine and tender,
> and
> deduct items that are not steel, such as lagging
> and
> fire brick and bronze, and rubber. The bronze
> stuff
> has it's own scrap value.
>
> Deduct the costs to cut it up. This includes, but
> is
> not limited to, permits, labor, cutting gases and
> tools,
> a small crane or Bobcat to handle the pieces, and
> trucking
> or rail charges from where the loco is now to the
> nearest
> mill, and unloading.
>
> Whatever is left from this is the scrap value.
> I'm no
> expert, but the net isn't going to be anywhere
> near
> $50,000. Probably less than a third of that when
> it's
> all said and done.
>
> There MAY be some parts that would fetch more as
> parts
> than as scrap. Such as air pumps, dynamo, water
> pump,
> injector, gauges, many steam fittings and valves
> (NOT
> the cheap hardware store junk that Paine added)
> some
> wheelsets, stoker parts, lubricators, and myriad
> other
> things. However, there would be increased labor
> costs
> in finding and carefully removing these things as
> opposed
> to just torching it all.
THIS is the exact reason why scrap yards can buy decommissioned ships and aircraft carriers for a dollar.

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HotWater wrote
> Any further distant moves would have to be done on
> a depressed center flat car, like when it was
> transported across Canada, and down to Tacoma.

Not true about the depressed center flat car, it was done on an 8 axle heavy duty flat car, I know...I was the conductor in charge of the movement at the time.
I remember having reservations about its very high center of gravity. The paperwork showed her being a dimensional load of 303 tons. The date was October 7th, 2005.
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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 10/09/14 18:45 by Finderskeepers.

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Looks like the tender was allowed to run on its own wheels?

No, I'm pretty sure it was on another flat. The aux. tender was moved on its own wheels, I believe. Also, during the move to Richland, they reportedly had a hot driving box and had to keep it to 5mph the last however many miles. This would also prevent any more moves any distance on its own wheels.

Thanks Hotwater for the transport story. I could not remember

THIS is the exact reason why scrap yards can buy decommissioned ships and aircraft carriers for a dollar.

In that case, I bid a $1.50 for her.

I will bid a buck 95. HI HI

Realist Wrote:
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> There MAY be some parts that would fetch more as
> parts
> than as scrap. Such as air pumps, dynamo, water
> pump,
> injector, gauges, many steam fittings and valves
> (NOT
> the cheap hardware store junk that Paine added)
> some
> wheelsets, stoker parts, lubricators, and myriad
> other
> things. However, there would be increased labor
> costs
> in finding and carefully removing these things as
> opposed
> to just torching it all.

It's a similar position with antique tractors - there is more value in the parts than in the whole thing. Sad, really.

Same with antique cars.

Why can't a bent side rod be straightened, and how does one of those get bent to start with ?