Steam & Excursion > Cheyenne Roundhouse

Unless I missed something prior to the "Cheyenne Roundhouse Cleanout" thread
(http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?10,3549951), I don't really
see any sources for this information. Can somebody cite a factual source for
this? Without wishing to get into anything about the pros/cons of the current
steam program management or the future of the program itself, just knowing how
limited the UP facilities in Denver are compared to Cheyenne makes me wonder how
true this is, or if something got "mangled" in the telling.

Followup question: Are we to understand that the UP Steam Program is moving (being moved, whatever) to Denver? What is the basis for this speculation? If I have missed this, forgive me, lots of threads and I don't see them all.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/20/14 13:58 by welchblvd.

CZ10 Wrote:
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> Unless I missed something prior to the "Cheyenne
> Roundhouse Cleanout" thread
> (http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?10
> ,3549951), I don't really
> see any sources for this information. Can
> somebody cite a factual source for
> this? Without wishing to get into anything about
> the pros/cons of the current
> steam program management or the future of the
> program itself, just knowing how
> limited the UP facilities in Denver are compared
> to Cheyenne makes me wonder how
> true this is, or if something got "mangled" in the
> telling.

Why are the sources necessarily important here? I get that everyone wants to fact-check the comments that have been made, but the reality is that dear-leader is watching the forums and other communities for "leaks". Therefore I doubt that anyone would publicly name one of those sources that have commented privately. I could be wrong, I'm sure someone in the know will chime in here eventually.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/20/14 15:17 by dbesade.

dbesade Wrote:
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> Why are the sources necessarily important here? I
> get that everyone wants to fact-check the comments
> that have been made, but the reality is that
> dear-leader is watching the forums and other
> communities for "leaks". Therefore I doubt that
> anyone would publicly name one of those sources
> that have commented privately. I could be wrong,
> I'm sure hotwater or realist will chime in here
> eventually.

Nobody wants anyone to get in trouble for letting us in on
what is really happening. The problem is that a lot of people
who really don't know what is happening never-the-less insist
that they know the "true" state of affairs, and things
quickly degenerate into hearsay and sometimes complete fabrication.
There are individuals on this board who (either using pseudonyms or
their real names) have shown that they have access to factual
information concerning the steam program. Not having seen them
"weigh in" on the subject (though I could have easily missed the posts)
makes me doubt what I'm reading.

- Bruce

CZ10 Wrote:
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> dbesade Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why are the sources necessarily important here?
> I
> > get that everyone wants to fact-check the
> comments
> > that have been made, but the reality is that
> > dear-leader is watching the forums and other
> > communities for "leaks". Therefore I doubt that
> > anyone would publicly name one of those sources
> > that have commented privately. I could be
> wrong,
> > I'm sure hotwater or realist will chime in here
> > eventually.
>
> Nobody wants anyone to get in trouble for letting
> us in on
> what is really happening. The problem is that a
> lot of people
> who really don't know what is happening
> never-the-less insist
> that they know the "true" state of affairs, and
> things
> quickly degenerate into hearsay and sometimes
> complete fabrication.
> There are individuals on this board who (either
> using pseudonyms or
> their real names) have shown that they have access
> to factual
> information concerning the steam program. Not
> having seen them
> "weigh in" on the subject (though I could have
> easily missed the posts)
> makes me doubt what I'm reading.
>
> - Bruce

Fair enough, I don't have any information to share was just offering a counter-point.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/20/14 15:17 by dbesade.

Asking for proof was my retort on the other thread as well. We've always joked about there being three modes of communication on the railroad. Telegraph, telephone, tele-railroader. I seem to think some of it is true and others are speculation and gossip. I sure hope they get something figured out there and quick for the sake of the program.

Joe

That whole thread started because the model railroad club was being kicked out. Has anybody else contacted them about this move?

Posted from Android

I think the posts from HotWater, Realist, EmpireBuilder, et al on these topics have proven to be reliable and factual for the most part. No reason to suspect otherwise IMHO.

Ok the railroad club has not been kicked out. I am a member and we are still in the roundhouse. We were asked to move our trailers and that is it. As for cleanup there are something's in the roundhouse that have been removed and stuff appears to be reorganized. I was in the roundhouse this last week and that is what I have observed.

If you come to TO and you're new to what's going on, it might take you awhile to figure out who knows what and what may be factual when posts are coming from anonymous handles of people here on the internet. So if you repeat information that you read on TRAINS Magazine or from official UP sources, then prepare for vigorous dispute of that information from posters here. I know I've asked questions based on things I have overheard Ed say or things that he has said to me directly when I was asking questions about UP Steam during some of my visits to 4014 as it was being prepped for transport. You won't find some of the responses to those threads in a search because many replies were deleted (which is how moderation is done here) because things got heated. As an example, Ed one day referenced "experimental" things done to 3985 that need to be "undone." I asked about that in a thread here that did not go well. At any rate, there are certainly connected people here on TO who have intel on what's going on, and it's sadly nothing good.

UP6936 Wrote:
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> Ok the railroad club has not been kicked out. I am
> a member and we are still in the roundhouse. We
> were asked to move our trailers and that is it. As
> for cleanup there are something's in the
> roundhouse that have been removed and stuff
> appears to be reorganized. I was in the roundhouse
> this last week and that is what I have observed.

And nice to hear for once someone who knows as tried to follow the other thread and it went into normal let me get my opinion in even if it is just the normal I hate someone thread. It sounded like uninformed bs from the start.

It's an informal Discussion site about Trains. Corporate issues stay on company letterhead (even an e-mail) with a Proprietary Disclosure Statement. That's how it is in the Corporate world. If there's a Federal Accident Report, that's a different story as it becomes Public record at some point.

If someone sees something from the street, or if someone overheard a discussion, it might be a clue that something is going on but it's hardly proof. If you want to believe something that's a personal decision, with someone's own, personal qualifier's and choices.

That said, it sure doesn't sound good.

BAB Wrote:
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>
> And nice to hear for once someone who knows as
> tried to follow the other thread and it went into
> normal let me get my opinion in even if it is just
> the normal I hate someone thread. It sounded like
> uninformed bs from the start.


Most comments on TO about UP's steam program is uninformed BS from the start.

n9949y Wrote:
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> Most comments on TO about UP's steam program is
> uninformed BS from the start.

You can prove that how?

n9949y Wrote:
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>
>
> Most comments on TO about UP's steam program is
> uninformed BS from the start.


You tell 'em, Ed.

:-P

n9949y Wrote:
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> BAB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> ----.
> >
> > And nice to hear for once someone who knows as
> > tried to follow the other thread and it went
> into
> > normal let me get my opinion in even if it is
> just
> > the normal I hate someone thread. It sounded
> like
> > uninformed bs from the start.
>
>
> Most comments on TO about UP's steam program is
> uninformed BS from the start.


For being uniformed BS it sure has been pretty damn close to the mark so far.

mikeman Wrote:
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> For being uniformed BS it sure has been pretty
> damn close to the mark so far.

A few of the fidiots (and dear leader's snitches) on
here just cannot stand seeing their wonderful dreams,
fantasies and hero getting clobbered by a bunch of
unruly, inconvenient facts.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/21/14 18:35 by Realist.

Sounds like an Al Gore movie.

HotWater Wrote:
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> You can prove that how?
You can prove your claims how? One of the model railroader from the group you say was kicked out of the roundhouse just proved you wrong. Nobody on train order knows what is truly going on with Union Pacific Steam program. It's all BS because on TO people doesn't have anything better to do than start more rumors and stir the pot of crap. It would be nice to go a few weeks even a week without seeing a post on here about made up rumors about what going on with UP and it's steam program

Posted from Android



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/21/14 18:53 by nycstl.

nycstl Wrote:
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> HotWater Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > You can prove that how?
> You can prove your claims how? One of the model
> railroader from the group you say was kicked out
> of the roundhouse just proved you wrong. Nobody on
> train order knows what is truly going on with
> Union Pacific Steam program. It's all BS because
> on TO people doesn't have anything better to do
> than start more rumors and stir the pot of crap.
> It would be nice to go a few weeks even a week
> without seeing a post on here about made up rumors
> about what going on with UP and it's steam program
>
>
> Posted from Android

They were told to get some of their stuff off the
property.

So, exactly what has been "made up?"

About this or anything else?

Just because you don't or won't believe it doesn't
mean anything to anybody but you.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/21/14 19:11 by Realist.