Steam & Excursion > AT&SF #2926 at RailGiants in Pomona

The New Mexico Steam Locomotive and Railroad Historical Society isn't able to bring their AT&SF No. 2926 4-8-4 steam locomotive from Albuquerque out to Pomona this month.

However, those attending our Annual Meeting will hear and see all the history, the restoration, and the most recent news about No. 2926 on Saturday, March 21, 2015, at the Los Angeles County Fairgrounds in Pomona, California.

NMSL&RHS's Director will be the guest speaker at our meeting. Lunch, beverages, and desert will be provided followed by a reception at our trains inside RailGiants Train Museum.


For more information, and on-line ticket sales, click here: http://www.railgiants.org/2015Meeting.htm


Steve McFerson
Director, Website Editor,
RailGiants Train Museum - Pomona California
The Railway and Locomotive Historical Society, Southern California Chapter

website: http://www.railgiants.org
Twitter: @RailGiants



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 03/03/15 23:12 by RailGiants.

What is an 8x4x8 steam locomotive?

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PhillipJohnson Wrote:
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> What is an 8x4x8 steam locomotive?
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Typo now corrected to read: 4x8x4

RailGiants Wrote:
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> > What is an 8x4x8 steam locomotive?
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> Typo now corrected to read: 4x8x4


Please correct it again, as it should be 4-8-4, i.e. no x's in it.

4x8x4=128

Makes an Erie Triplex look like a kid's toy.

Out

Absolutely, the x's are a part of math equations, not steam engine wheel arrangements.

Hi Steve - thanks for sharing the info - and don't let the "Proof-readers" get you down.

iliketrains Wrote:
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> Hi Steve - thanks for sharing the info - and don't
> let the "Proof-readers" get you down.


Yes, it makes one wonder why people even bother to post with all the peanut gallery trolls here. Once is enough, but a whole battery of cry-babies have to come on board and ruin it.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/03/15 12:19 by rev66vette.

rev66vette Wrote:
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> iliketrains Wrote:
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> > Hi Steve - thanks for sharing the info - and
> don't
> > let the "Proof-readers" get you down.
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> Yes, it makes one wonder why people even bother to
> post with all the peanut gallery trolls here. Once
> is enough, but a whole battery of cry-babies have
> to come on board and ruin it.

Well EXCUSE me all to hell but, wouldn't you figure that anyone directly involved with that famous museum in Pomona would know what the hell a 4-8-4 is?????

And NOT a 4+8+4 either, since it is not an articulated.

Yah, that particular configuration occurs only in O-27.

Out

I agree - their's a dipherence betwene pointing out typoes
and por misspelings, but you gotts to get the the wheels
layout rite as the Webmaster of a RR Museem sight, expesialy
hear on TOS!

\Mitch

PS - Thanks for the heads up - sounds like a good time, wish
I could make it. Hope you're able to raise some funds, while
there! Maybe a raffle?

Writing for the audience here is a challenge. Somewhere between the New York Times and San Francisco Examiner (wherein William Randolph Hearst targeted his attacks at the local railroad Southern Pacific) level of journalism.

4-8-4 is not intended as a mathematical expression. Hard to imagine how a stream locomotive could operate with eight wheels less than zero. 4-8-4= -8


Other format options for these numbers (with absurd examples of extreme literal interpretations):

Four Eight Four
4.8.4 (a heritage IP address?)
(484) (telephone area code near Philadelphia)
HU4 (a vintage telephone prefix in Los Angeles for HUbbard-4, which was changed to 484 during the 1960s)


The typical visitor at RailGiants doesn't absorb all the fine precision details of railroading. Many believe our 1920s era steam locomotives use the same diesel fuel as modern locomotives, and the primary difference is today's locomotives are colorful, but vintage locomotives were all black. "Oh; I never knew trains once needed steam."

I lost count years ago of how many parents while inside one of our oil-fueled steam locomotive cabs, look inside the firebox opening, and tell their small children, "look - that's where they shovel the coal," or "that's where they burn the wood." Many visitors won't remember what we told them about how these vintage locomotives operated. They care mostly about how their young children enjoyed sitting in the engineer's seat, blowing the whistle, ringing the bell, and that they captured the image on their smart phones.

There are others who greatly appreciate the new knowledge learned while here. A small portion of our constituency knows or cares about the fine details of locomotives.

Foreword:
My reply is not intended to be antagonistic, negative, combative, or anything of the sort, I'm trying to engage in a discussion about what has been stated by RailGiants. (Edit: I also feel that the ridiculous conversation takes away from AT&SF 2926 and the team that is doing the restoration!)

RailGiants Wrote:
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> Writing for the audience here is a challenge.
> Somewhere between the New York Times and San
> Francisco Examiner (wherein William Randolph
> Hearst targeted his attacks at the local railroad
> Southern Pacific) level of journalism.

I think that comment is unfair. How hard is it for the "Museum that houses some of the country’s most well preserved Locomotives" to get the proper terminology correct?

> The typical visitor at RailGiants doesn't absorb
> all the fine precision details of railroading.
> Many believe our 1920s era steam locomotives use
> the same diesel fuel as modern locomotives, and
> the primary difference is today's locomotives are
> colorful, but vintage locomotives were all black.
> "Oh; I never knew trains once needed steam."

Perhaps lack of information about the piece being displayed, a description, its intended use and configuration is to blame? A trip to a Museum is usually intended to be an educational one and that information about the museum pieces would be on a display stand near by?

> I lost count years ago of how many parents while
> inside one of our oil-fueled steam locomotive
> cabs, look inside the firebox opening, and tell
> their small children, "look - that's where they
> shovel the coal," or "that's where they burn the
> wood."

Again, lack of information or labeling could be to blame here, as I noted earlier, museums are intended to educate and preserve our history, is that not what the point of your institution is?

> Many visitors won't remember what we told
> them about how these vintage locomotives operated.
> They care mostly about how their young children
> enjoyed sitting in the engineer's seat, blowing
> the whistle, ringing the bell, and that they
> captured the image on their smart phones.

It sounds like your institution is having a problem identifying with the intended audience..

>
> There are others who greatly appreciate the new
> knowledge learned while here. A small portion of
> our constituency knows or cares about the fine
> details of locomotives.

That is a shame, look to VMT and other institutions for how to better engage your intended audience.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 03/04/15 15:15 by dbesade.

Steve, thanks for your informative post. Some of us appreciate the news.

Thanks for that, dbesade,,,,,I fully agree. Plus the original poster did post here on the "Steam Railroading" Forum, where we do indeed know the difference, i.e. we are NOT the apparent "uneducated members of the public".