Steam & Excursion > Facebook posts on 3985/844 facebook page on Cheyenne Depot days

Attached are 18 screen shots (cropped to get rid of extraneous material) that are complete as to photographs, explanations and comments at the time that I grabbed them.

These are from the 3985/844 page on Facebook.

I wish to say that these are correct copies and are put on TO so that those TO members who do not have facebook may see what is being put out there by others regarding the 
UP steam program.

 

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Second set of pages

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Third set of 6 pages

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Fourth of 6 pages

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Fifth of 6 pages

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Last of 6 pages    So far that is all that is out there on Facebook

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While I thank you for posting these here it would have made sense to post them in one of the other already on going UP threads.

If this stuff is illegal, what are the exact rules violated?

Not just someone's emotional attachment, but exact citations.

If anything is illegal, why did FRA inspect and approve it?

The staybolts shown were removed from which engine? When?
Were they lying around the shop because they had already been
replaced? 

How did 844's boiler, which was clean in early 2011, get so much
rustand scale  buildup in 2 years of sporadic service?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/22/15 10:38 by Realist.

What an absolute load of crap! I've got an upcoming tour of the shop, was going
to be quiet about things but that's not likely to happen at this point.

Out

What a transfer truck full of crap!

CS

Emmo213 Wrote:
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> While I thank you for posting these here it would
> have made sense to post them in one of the other
> already on going UP threads.

No, this is going to need a thread all its own I think.

Cheers, Dave

I used to "like" that page on FB until about a year ago when they posted a rant blaming the former crew fo all the ill of 844. I quickly "unliked" it and I think lots of other people did to because they removed the offensive post a short time later. The page was originally started around 09 or 2010 by an associate of the former crew. About 3 years ago UP sent them a cease and desiste  warning and for a time it went away totally. When it came back up it was under new operators Nick Valdez and that other kid. Both work at that tourist cog railway in Colorado. They do indeed get there info striaght from Ed Dickens. That is the party line page without a doubt.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/22/15 11:48 by jethat.

jethat Wrote:
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 When it came back up it was under new
> operators Nick Valdez and that other kid. Both
> work at that tourist cog railway in Colorado. They
> do indeed get there info striaght from Ed Dickens.
> That is the party line page without a doubt.

Thanks. That certainly explains a LOT!  Otherwise, there would be no way those stooges could ever come up with such "technical" bs.

This is astounding blather that sounds like it was written by someone in the 5th grade. Who is expected to believe this idiot rant?

Lightning_Slinger Wrote:
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> This is astounding blather that sounds like it was
> written by someone in the 5th grade. Who is
> expected to believe this idiot rant?

All the Koolaid drinkers who worship the current manager.

HotWater Wrote:
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> jethat Wrote:
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>  When it came back up it was under new
> > operators Nick Valdez and that other kid. Both
> > work at that tourist cog railway in Colorado.
> They
> > do indeed get there info striaght from Ed
> Dickens.
> > That is the party line page without a doubt.
>
> Thanks. That certainly explains a LOT!
>  Otherwise, there would be no way those stooges
> could ever come up with such "technical" bs.

He used to give them cab rides in return for them putting
worshipful thinks about him on the internet.

Of course, with the 844 cab sitting on that push car, he can
still give them cab rides! 

I saw a post by John Rimisch (sp?) over on railway preservation board that addressed the blameing of the former crew that makes sense. The day Ed Dickens took responsibility for the engines he took ownership of everything. If it had saftey issues and such why did he operate it? if the boiler had blown in 2012 when he ran it all over the country because of something that was unsafe the FRA wouldnt go after the former crew they would go after Ed Dickens. Ed Dickens ran 844 until its boiler was so pluggged with mud it wouldnt run any more. If the former crew did that he actually ran it that way? Logic says there is no way Dickens can blame the former crew even if its true without taken all the blame himself for the time he did operate it! There may actually be some minor things that the engines have that the former crew ran with that are not perfect. Ed Dickens thought the engine was safe enough to run all over the country though..Blaming them blames himself just as much.

Realist Wrote:
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> HotWater Wrote:
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> > jethat Wrote:
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> >  When it came back up it was under new
> > > operators Nick Valdez and that other kid.
> Both
> > > work at that tourist cog railway in Colorado.
> > They
> > > do indeed get there info striaght from Ed
> > Dickens.
> > > That is the party line page without a doubt.
> >
> > Thanks. That certainly explains a LOT!
> >  Otherwise, there would be no way those
> stooges
> > could ever come up with such "technical" bs.
>
> He used to give them cab rides in return for them
> putting
> worshipful thinks about him on the internet.
>
> Of course, with the 844 cab sitting on that push
> car, he can
> still give them cab rides! 

I can't find the picture now to verify but I remember seeing one with one of them tagging along in the cab when 4014 was dragged to Cheyenne

They also posted this gem about 20 min ago, grasping at straws now

Keep in mind some of these parts are from 3985, which wasn't operated on excursions yet under new management due to the corrosive nature the engine had once it was inspected. It was said by the UP the engine DID have plans for excursions however when certain issues were found it was ruled best to wait until it's rebuild.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/22/15 12:07 by Spoony81.

They keep saying the 844 needs to be "brought up to current standards."

This implies it did not meet "current standards" when it was outshopped
in 2005.  Or do they mean new standards have been established since
2005?

If so, what are the new standards and where are they published?  After all,
if there are new standards, don't other operators need to know about them?

Or do these "new standards" exist only in the imagination of a manager who
has never bothered to inform himself about or comply with existing standards?

He has been spoken to before for trying to redefine "service day" to meet
his intentions rather than the stated rule.  And the mess in the boiler demonstrates
how faihthfully the boiler wash requirements of Part 230 have been complied
with since 2011.

I know a few FRA people who would take vigorous exception to statements about
"updating it to current standards."  After all, it was inspected and passed by them
in 2005.  The statement implies they didn't know what they were doing, either.  

UP is so lucky to have a steam expert like this guy.

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like falsely accusing people of illegal activities on the Internet is libel and/or defamation.

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