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Steam & Excursion > UP Big Boy 4018Date: 05/21/16 08:49 UP Big Boy 4018 Author: apollo17 I just happened to remember 4018 while thinking of the Big Boys. Does anyone know what sort of condition it's currently in cosmetically or mechanically?Has anyone ever had a chance to get a close up look at it before or since it's move?
Date: 05/21/16 08:52 Re: UP Big Boy 4018 Author: Realist Don't you remember it was supposedly going to be in a movie about 20 years ago?
With great fanfare, it was looked over by some "experts" and moved a few feet. The big Hollywood production was going to be financed by donations. Apparently enough gullible fans donated money, even as the promoter's stories unraveled. The promoter and the money disappeared. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/16 08:54 by Realist. Date: 05/21/16 09:07 Re: UP Big Boy 4018 Author: NKPBernet apollo17 Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > I just happened to remember 4018 while thinking of > the Big Boys. Does anyone know what sort of > condition it's currently in cosmetically or > mechanically?Has anyone ever had a chance to get a > close up look at it before or since it's move?
Edit: Pictures Courtesy of http://www.steamlocomotive.com Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/16 09:10 by dbesade. Date: 05/21/16 10:25 Re: UP Big Boy 4018 Author: filmteknik As has been said various times by folks more knowledgeable than me, don't freak about the piston rods. If someone wanted to do an operational restoration of this engine with all that entails, making four new piston rods is not that big a deal. I'd be more concerned about long term storage in the weather with jacket and rain-soaked lagging in place.
Date: 05/21/16 10:55 Re: UP Big Boy 4018 Author: apollo17 Pic two is pretty ugly with all the rust and moss. Makes me wonder what condition the boiler is in even today. Speaking of mechanically overhauling 4018, can anyone imagine the cost of replacing just the boiler for this locomotive if it's beyond all hope?! And yes Realist, I do remember the movie and restoration that was suppose to take place about 17 or 18 years ago. That's a classic case of how NOT to restore a steam locomotive.
Date: 05/21/16 11:07 Re: UP Big Boy 4018 Author: Realist apollo17 Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Pic two is pretty ugly with all the rust and moss. > Makes me wonder what condition the boiler is in > even today. Speaking of mechanically overhauling > 4018, can anyone imagine the cost of > replacing just the boiler for this locomotive if > it's beyond all hope?! And yes Realist, I do > remember the movie and restoration that was > suppose to take place about 17 or 18 years ago. > That's a classic case of how NOT to restore a > steam locomotive. Yes, but more important, IMO, is that it was a scam from the very beginning. Date: 05/21/16 12:03 Re: UP Big Boy 4018 Author: SP4360 Gee, sounds like it parallels another scam involving a large engine.
Realist Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > apollo17 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Pic two is pretty ugly with all the rust and > moss. > > Makes me wonder what condition the boiler is > in > > even today. Speaking of mechanically > overhauling > > 4018, can anyone imagine the cost of > > replacing just the boiler for this locomotive > if > > it's beyond all hope?! And yes Realist, I do > > remember the movie and restoration that was > > suppose to take place about 17 or 18 years ago. > > That's a classic case of how NOT to restore a > > steam locomotive. > > > Yes, but more important, IMO, is that it was a > scam from the very beginning. Posted from Android Date: 05/21/16 13:02 Re: UP Big Boy 4018 Author: Fredo Good one !
Date: 05/21/16 17:23 Re: UP Big Boy 4018 Author: davew833 I remember the "Restore 4018" (edit) folks even had a booth at Railfar '99 in Sacramento. I may have even thrown a few bucks in their direction.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/16 22:38 by davew833. Date: 05/21/16 17:32 Re: UP Big Boy 4018 Author: HotWater davew833 Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > I remember the "Restore 2018" folks even had a > booth at Railfar '99 in Sacramento. I may have > even thrown a few bucks in their direction. Well,,,,,it is "4018", but yes that "thief" did indeed have a booth at Railfair '99. After that event, he disappeared with all the money, and has never been heard from since! Most all of the locomotive crews that attended Railfair '99, complained to the CSRM "management" of that guys booth, since the "policy" laid out in advance was; any group that had a locomotive at Railfair '99, was allowed to sell their souvenirs at a row of booths provided for that purpose. That 4018 "thief" was the ONLY person in that entire row of booths that did NOT have a locomotive at the event. Date: 05/22/16 03:01 Re: UP Big Boy 4018 Author: apollo17 If found, couldn't he be prosecuted for fraud?
Date: 05/22/16 11:04 Re: UP Big Boy 4018 Author: Realist HotWater Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- Well,,,,,it is "4018", but yes that "thief" did > indeed have a booth at Railfair '99. After that > event, he disappeared with all the money, and has > never been heard from since! Most all of the > locomotive crews that attended Railfair '99, > complained to the CSRM "management" of that guys > booth, since the "policy" laid out in advance was; > any group that had a locomotive at Railfair '99, > was allowed to sell their souvenirs at a row of > booths provided for that purpose. That 4018 > "thief" was the ONLY person in that entire row of > booths that did NOT have a locomotive at the > event. IIRC, he had a booth very near the actual UP Steam booth. He was a bit of a loudmouth, and occasionally one or more of the UP folks would get enough of his claims about what he and UP were going to do and would tell him to knock it off. Every day, he also clamed that the "star" or male lead, of the movie, would be there tomorrow to sign autographs. The next day, he would again say "tomorrow" the star would be there. And the next. He sold a lot of pictures, patches, T-shirts, etc. He took off shortly after giving a big speil about how he had made an agreement with the CC&RG RR to film on their trackage in the Royal Gorge. The people who own that railroad happened to be standing there. Of course, they had never seen this guy before. They let him finish his tale, then intorduced themselves and told him in no uncertain terms that if he ever mentioned them or their railroad again, he would be hearing from their lawyers. He claimed to have a lot of Hollywood connections. It was later revealed that his Hollywood "connection" was that he had worked for a short time as a laborer at a Blockbuster distribution warehouse. But the foamers sure swallowed his story. Date: 05/22/16 12:31 Re: UP Big Boy 4018 Author: dan lets find him
Date: 05/22/16 14:24 Re: UP Big Boy 4018 Author: Realist dan Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > lets find him Great idea. Let us know when you have him in custody. Date: 05/22/16 20:17 Re: UP Big Boy 4018 Author: davew833 Even in 1999, if a REAL movie company wanted to do a movie about a Big Boy, they'd have likely used real and/or digital scale models, perhaps intermixed with close-ups of #3985 framed at certain angles to hide the fact that it's only a 4-6-6-4. The moviegoing public would have never known the difference.
Date: 05/22/16 23:10 Re: UP Big Boy 4018 Author: 4451Puff Hmm.....raise a bunch of money on the idea of doing something very fun sounding, but technically and/or politically impossible...Las Vegas X-Train, anyone?
Desmond Praetzel, "4451 Puff" Date: 05/25/16 20:17 Re: UP Big Boy 4018 Author: displacedneb I rather enjoyed when the "movie clown" threatened me with legal action for continuing exposes I was putting on the internet. The last anyone knew he left the dfw area. A check at the home at Sherman, TX revealed a fully stuffed mailbox with stuff at least a month old. Also claimed to be a professor of film studies at SMU.
Date: 05/25/16 20:31 Re: UP Big Boy 4018 Author: WAF Probably the law caught up with him
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