Steam & Excursion > When You Think Nothing Can Stand Out Along Comes This Beast!

Steam servicing facilities often would be so crowded wis all kinds of steam motive power it was difficult to say that any one engine could stand out in such company.  However that was never the case for Santa Fe #3001!

We do not know the date for this photo but the location is the AT&SF shops in San Bernadino, California.  #3001 and one of her sister 2-10-10-2 engines clearly dominate this scen due to their shear size and mass. 

From this angle one can quickly tell why it was so hard to keep that massive boiler full of steam when underway.  That was the main reason these monsters were eventually tunred into single engined 2-10-2's.

Martin



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 06/20/16 03:09 by LoggerHogger.

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This photo shows up on P.275 "Iron Horses of the Santa Fe Trail" taken by R.P Middlebrook, but only gives a date of 1913. Then engine was built in 1911, so it was still fairly fresh.

A demonstration of the 'Economy of Scale' and 'Point of Diminishing Returns' in one photo.

Oh look it's an 0-4-0 boiler with a hell of a smokebox extension!

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There were a couple of brass HO scale models of this on Ebay last month, almost bought one.

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I seem to remember something from the dark recesses of my mind that one of these beasts was featured in some sort of Perils of Pauline type adventure in the late teens time frame, and that some stills from the film is still out there somewhere.  Maybe some on this board can find out more about it.

elueck Wrote:
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> I seem to remember something from the dark
> recesses of my mind that one of these beasts was
> featured in some sort of Perils of Pauline type
> adventure in the late teens time frame, and that
> some stills from the film is still out there
> somewhere.  Maybe some on this board can find out
> more about it.

Shot at Blue Cut on the west side of Cajon Summit.  Closest CP today is Keenbrook I think.

SEE The ATSF 3001 film - HAZARDS OF HELEN 3, LEAP FROM WATER TOWER, 1915, YOUTUBE : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo1IsTqE5BQ
 

Thanks!

I knew it was someone of something, but I could not remember more than that.

I looked at this version on You Tube. It has been edited and shortened by about 3 minutes.

​I have an 8mm print I bought from Blackhawk in the mid 60's.  It runs 18 + minutes, but includes added narrative about making the film.  Actual film runs a little over 15 minutes.

​In any event, it has some great footage of railroading on Cajon Pass, the story line not withstanding.

LoggerHogger Wrote:

> Steam servicing facilities often would be so
> crowded wis all kinds of steam motive power it was
> difficult to say that any one engine could stand
> out in such company.  However that was never the
> case for Santa Fe #3001!

One reason the 2-10-10-2's "stood out" at San Bernardino is that they couldn't "stand in."  They were too big for the turntable, so they had to be tended on an outdoor "Mallet track" nearby.

> From this angle one can quickly tell why it was so
> hard to keep that massive boiler full of steam
> when underway.  That was the main reason these
> monsters were eventually tunred into single
> engined 2-10-2's.

The root of the problem was that Santa Fe's 2-10-10-2's were also created from existing 2-10-2's.  Appearances aside, the extra "boiler" length didn't contain any actual water boiling capacity.  It just held extras like feedwater heaters, superheaters, and reheaters that attempted to capture "waste" heat and apply it to as yet unboiled water or to already-boiled, "used" steam on its way to the low pressure engine.  The following threads contain more details of the Baldwin "separable boilers" -

http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?10,3665159
http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?10,1816595
http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?10,3630285
http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?10,678590
http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?10,623729

As illustrated in the first thread link, Baldwin supplied the front articulated engine and the additional "boiler" section, and Santa Fe did the work of wedding the new parts to the existing 2-10-2's in the company shops.  In theory, if you're "using steam twice" you don't need any more boiler to power that front, low-pressure engine.  In practice it didn't work out so well.

That's in the same operating manual as "perpetual motion".

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