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Date: 11/05/12 05:52
New Haven passenger car in New Mexico
Author: valmont

I shot this on Mar. 22, 1993 in Santa Fe, NM, but don't have any history, nor know what happened to it. Figured it became a Santa Fe Southern car, and if so is it still around?




Date: 11/05/12 06:34
Re: New Haven passenger car in New Mexico
Author: rob_l

I encountered the same car in Pueblo, CO the following year, as attached.

Best regards,

Rob L.




Date: 11/05/12 06:35
Re: New Haven passenger car in New Mexico
Author: DavidP

valmont Wrote:
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> I shot this on Mar. 22, 1993 in Santa Fe, NM, but
> don't have any history, nor know what happened to
> it. Figured it became a Santa Fe Southern car, and
> if so is it still around?

Looks like model railroader's kitbash gone wrong. No idea what's become of the car, but a quick guess on ancestry is it's from the New Haven's "State" series of 6DR-lounge cars that served on the State of Maine, Montrealer, Night Owl and other overnight runs in New England. The rectangular shadow below the windows is consistent with the New Haven's practice of attaching metal plates with the company logo.

Dave



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/05/12 06:38 by DavidP.



Date: 11/05/12 07:18
Re: New Haven passenger car in New Mexico
Author: dan

a passenger car guru said amtrak damaged the car, where the stainless isn't it was for sale in pueblo for 70k a few years ago



Date: 11/05/12 07:40
Re: New Haven passenger car in New Mexico
Author: mopacrr

Unless there was an issue with the fluting at the A-E end of the car, I can't why individuals don't use the B-end of the car for the open platform .Trap is already there and there would be less cutting on the the body. The car would look better, and not take up use able space. There is a car on the Fremont, & Elkorn Valley Dinner Train, which was ex SP 10-6 sleeper originally built for the San Fransisco Overland I believe , that had the same thing happen to it. This was a historic car originally in the two-tone gray and a blunt end car.I realize its who ever owns car and they can butcher it up any way they want,but for someone who wants to make an open platform on the rear end of the car, and make it look authentic, they should use the B-End or vestibule end. There are numerous examples of cars converted to open platform cars and professional jobs usually turn out good.



Date: 11/05/12 07:48
Re: New Haven passenger car in New Mexico
Author: The_Chief_Way

in this case the lounge of the car is on the end that they "modified"....
the as-built vestibule is the bedroom end
notice they did not move the collision posts on the new platform end,
which can be an expensive mod



Date: 11/05/12 10:02
Re: New Haven passenger car in New Mexico
Author: joemvcnj

Since it looks likea P-S car, is the (remaining) fluted stainless just sheathing or structural ?



Date: 11/05/12 10:47
Re: New Haven passenger car in New Mexico
Author: rrhistorian

+1 to mopacrr's post

Hopefully an new corporation looking at developing luxury passenger service in the US will become aware of this car and be able to return it to service at Pullman-Standard and the New Haven intended. As is, it is really a sad sight.



Date: 11/05/12 12:10
Re: New Haven passenger car in New Mexico
Author: SunrayRanch

D.F. Barnhardt had the listing when I toured the car two years ago this past fall. Interior is OK, but not what I would want in a rail car. The interior ceiling has noticeable water damage. The skin & fluting has several large rust areas. I was told by the oversight manager, who lives in Pueblo, that a widow in Texas owns the car. They were asking $60M at that time.

A. Miller



Date: 11/05/12 12:12
Re: New Haven passenger car in New Mexico
Author: MEKoch

Amtrak had four 6 BR-lounge cars from NHV:
3210-Keystone State
3211-Bay State
3212-Pine Tree State
3213-Nutmeg State

a11 were built in 1955 by P-S



Date: 11/05/12 13:20
Re: New Haven passenger car in New Mexico
Author: tcpearson

I saw the car at one of the AAPRCO (American Association of Private Rail Car Owners)conventions years ago. The interior reminded me of an RV. It was built in Worcester, MA in 1955 at the Pullman Osgood Bradley plant. As an earlier post said, it was a 6 bedroom buffet lounge. The exterior sheets are a single sheet of stainless from the roof line to the side sill and are unlikely to rust. A rebuild would be merciful.

Tom Pearson

Salisbury Beach (built at the same time and place)



Date: 11/05/12 15:12
Re: New Haven passenger car in New Mexico
Author: santafedan

SunrayRanch Wrote:
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> D.F. Barnhardt had the listing when I toured the
> car two years ago this past fall. Interior is OK,
> but not what I would want in a rail car. The
> interior ceiling has noticeable water damage. The
> skin & fluting has several large rust areas. I was
> told by the oversight manager, who lives in
> Pueblo, that a widow in Texas owns the car. They
> were asking $60M at that time.
>
> A. Miller
Would that be 60K? For 60M you could build several new cars.



Date: 11/05/12 15:52
Re: New Haven passenger car in New Mexico
Author: Daze

That's a really great looking set of SD70mac's in original BN pulling that coal train.



Date: 11/05/12 19:00
Re: New Haven passenger car in New Mexico
Author: mt-king

The car had John Wayne murals painted on the flat steel plates in the early 80s when it was called "Iron Horse"



Date: 11/05/12 19:06
Re: New Haven passenger car in New Mexico
Author: rob_l

Daze Wrote:
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> That's a really great looking set of SD70mac's in
> original BN pulling that coal train.


They were great when they were new.

Best regards,

Rob L.



Date: 11/06/12 04:00
Re: New Haven passenger car in New Mexico
Author: SunrayRanch

In banking, we use M as a thousand and MM as a million. The rest of the world and the press use K and M respectively for thousand and million. I had a feeling that this would come up again. I will use the actual words from now on.



Date: 11/06/12 06:49
Re: New Haven passenger car in New Mexico
Author: rob_l

SunrayRanch Wrote:
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> In banking, we use M as a thousand and MM as a
> million. The rest of the world and the press use
> K and M respectively for thousand and million. I
> had a feeling that this would come up again. I
> will use the actual words from now on.

Usage of "K" and "M" for thousand and million, respectively, comes from the science and engineering world. I think the bankers need to get with it.

Best regards,

Rob L.



Date: 11/06/12 09:25
Re: New Haven passenger car in New Mexico
Author: AZSP

Actually the M is from Roman numberals for thousand. And MM (a thousand thousand) is a million



Date: 11/06/12 21:22
Re: New Haven passenger car in New Mexico
Author: cardo72

Last time I saw the car it was in decent shape. Had its own trucks and fluting intact, not in red paint.



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