Nostalgia & History > The Bay Area SP style in 1977

# more from the Nikon of Lee Meyers (or was it a Nikormat?)

I think these are self explanatory

#1.....A evening commute with 3197 in charge on 6/27/1977...San Bruno
#2.....Lee did not share many "roster" shots but since I like SW1200's this is in San Francisco on September 11, 1977
#3.....Couldn't tell you what train this is but its got SD9 #4450 up front on October 22, 1977. San Bruno

That's all I got for this one thanks for looking and see you down the tracks


Jay



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/14/14 17:23 by lamta_jay.

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First pic looks to be morning.

Thanks for sharing these Jay. I've always loved the Bicentenial scheme. Great lashup in the last shot.

Kent in CArmel Valley

First pic clearly shows train #117 which should have been the third morning "fleet" commute out of San Jose. As I recall it was the first "skip-stop" of the morning. Nos 113 and 115 were locals that made all the usual stops.

Last one is probably the SFRVY or SFOAY with Huff n Puff on the point

Nice photos - they bring back fond memories of when I was a young guy on the San Francisco freight brakeman extra board. Thanks for sharing!


From the looks of it, I would swear that the shot of Huff n' Puff (boiler-equipped 4450-51) ahead of all of those Geeps is the Bayshore-Watsonville Turn, which usually had five or six Geeps for power in the late 70's. The problem is that the train appears to be a westbound in the afternoon, and the Turn went on duty at 10:00 AM. So, it is likely is one of the (usually two) Pool 2 jobs from Bayshore to West Oakland that ran in the afternoon. Could also be the Permanente hauling a large setout for San Jose, including all of those Geeps. The 1419-1420 were the regular locos on the Permanente, but I suspect that Huff n' Puff substituted occasionally, though I never witnessed it.

Permamente was 1419-1442 with 1420 filing in. BSWJ had a lot of LA power going back to LA.

WAF Wrote:
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> Permamente was 1419-1442 with 1420 filing in. BSWJ
> had a lot of LA power going back to LA.

My recollection was that the 1442 was the substitute, going back to the 2700's days when they came from NWP, but whatever.

Enjoyed seeing those three photos. Thanks for sharing them.

Photo #1 is definitely taken in the late afternoon/evening of a southbound commuter to San Jose. The hills in the background are west of San Bruno and SSF and the locomotive is lite by the late afternoon sun.

DFWJIM Wrote:
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> Photo #1 is definitely taken in the late
> afternoon/evening of a southbound commuter to San
> Jose. The hills in the background are west of San
> Bruno and SSF and the locomotive is lite by the
> late afternoon sun.


I hate to disappoint you, but #117 is a westbound (to S.F.) morning train. The summer sun would light up the engineers side of the train when rising in the east.

Thanks SO much for the great photos!
LOVE the 3197 shot!! That was one very
classy paint scheme.

And -- the 3197 clearly shows #117 in her
number boards. That was, as "TheG-Man"
pointed out, #117 was the first skip-stop train
of the westbound morning rush-hour trains.
Remember that all odd-numbered trains ran
railroad westbound (towards SF) while all
even-numbered trains ran railroad east
(away from SF).

Number boards on a SW unit???

hogheaded Wrote:
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> Nice photos - they bring back fond memories of
> when I was a young guy on the San Francisco
> freight brakeman extra board. Thanks for sharing!
>
>
> From the looks of it, I would swear that the shot
> of Huff n' Puff (boiler-equipped 4450-51) ahead of
> all of those Geeps is the Bayshore-Watsonville
> Turn, which usually had five or six Geeps for
> power in the late 70's. The problem is that the
> train appears to be a westbound in the afternoon,
> and the Turn went on duty at 10:00 AM. So, it is
> likely is one of the (usually two) Pool 2 jobs
> from Bayshore to West Oakland that ran in the
> afternoon. Could also be the Permanente hauling a
> large setout for San Jose, including all of those
> Geeps. The 1419-1420 were the regular locos on the
> Permanente, but I suspect that Huff n' Puff
> substituted occasionally, though I never witnessed
> it.

My guess is a Pool 2 job coming in from West Oakland on a Sunday afternoon. 4450 and 51 were in the commute pool and on weekends SP would send some commute power out on freight. On Sunday evening, they'd all head back to Bayshore and San Jose to be serviced and readied for their Monday commute assignment.