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Nostalgia & History > Chicago Union Station Files - Advance HI SectionsDate: 11/23/14 10:43 Chicago Union Station Files - Advance HI Sections Author: Englewood Advice from Mr. C.C. Dilley of the Milwaukee Road concerning operation
of Advance Sections of the Morning and Afternoon Hiawathas on the Sunday after Thanksgiving. Note the utilization of otherwise dormant Suburban equipment, and the instructions to ticket agents to publicize the trains. Advance 5 is returning as Advance 2. No word on the disposition of Advance 3's equipment but probably a deadhead move to the Fox Lake coach yard. "Operation of these Advance Sections.....has been set up for the comfort and convenience of coach passengers desiring service......" How very nice. Less than three years before Amtrak and the MILW is still "going the extra mile". Thank you Milwaukee Road for all the years of serving the public. Too bad we can't have such service this year. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/23/14 10:43 by Englewood. Date: 11/23/14 11:00 Re: Chicago Union Station Files - Advance HI Sections Author: rswebber Operationally, it makes sense, but as a passenger, I always felt cheated not being in a train with a real diner or lounge. Great piece.
Date: 11/23/14 11:51 Re: Chicago Union Station Files - Advance HI Sections Author: Seventyfive Will the advanced section be flying white flags ?
Rich Date: 11/23/14 12:32 Re: Chicago Union Station Files - Advance HI Sections Author: MThopper What exactly were the "service wells"? Were some seats removed to create the snack vending space?
Date: 11/23/14 14:21 Re: Chicago Union Station Files - Advance HI Sections Author: Englewood MThopper Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > What exactly were the "service wells"? Were some > seats removed to create the snack vending space? I am thinking they were stairwells at the center doors. That is how the Metra bilevels were configured when they had "bar cars". I will try to find out for certain. Date: 11/23/14 14:23 Re: Chicago Union Station Files - Advance HI Sections Author: Englewood Seventyfive Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Will the advanced section be flying white flags ? > > Rich I will defer the answer to those on the website who are infinitely more knowledgeable concerning operating rules and train dispatching than I am. Date: 11/23/14 14:26 Re: Chicago Union Station Files - Advance HI Sections Author: Englewood rswebber Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Operationally, it makes sense, but as a passenger, > I always felt cheated not being in a train with a > real diner or lounge. Great piece. Yes not the usual standard of service, but compare what was provided to the philosophy of current industry "leaders" who "don't build churches for Easter Sunday". The regular section would have had the usual diner, lounge, etc. How many of the college kids on the Advance would have availed themselves of the costly dining facilities? They were probably well equipped by Mom with turkey sandwiches for the journey. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/23/14 14:30 by Englewood. Date: 11/23/14 17:19 Re: Chicago Union Station Files - Advance HI Sections Author: BigSkyBlue What was coach 4570? Don't recognize that number.
BSB Date: 11/23/14 18:31 Re: Chicago Union Station Files - Advance HI Sections Author: RuleG The practice of using commuter rail equipment to increase capacity to accommodate Thanksgiving holiday travelers continued into the Amtrak era. During the mid-1980s, I once saw a train comprised of Metro North FL9s and passenger cars stock arriving from New York City at the Albany/Rensselear, NY station during a Sunday after Thanksgiving.
Date: 11/23/14 19:15 Re: Chicago Union Station Files - Advance HI Sections Author: MILW16 BigSkyBlue Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > What was coach 4570? Don't recognize that > number. > > BSB It was a 1942-built coach converted to a snack coach for use with the commuter bi-levels. Date: 11/23/14 22:06 Re: Chicago Union Station Files - Advance HI Sections Author: penncentral74 Seventyfive Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Will the advanced section be flying white flags ? > > Rich Because the railroad was CTC, that would remove most requirements for the train to carry classification signals, but I think that the first two sections would carry green flags, and the third train would carry no signals. Date: 11/23/14 22:45 Re: Chicago Union Station Files - Advance HI Sections Author: czephyr17 I don't think the practice of using commuter equipment around Thanksgiving ever stopped on the northeast corridor. In fact Amtrak's announcement regarding this year's schedule from a few days ago was posted on the Passenger board a few days ago.
http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?4,3578983 RuleG Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The practice of using commuter rail equipment to > increase capacity to accommodate Thanksgiving > holiday travelers continued into the Amtrak era. > During the mid-1980s, I once saw a train comprised > of Metro North FL9s and passenger cars stock > arriving from New York City at the > Albany/Rensselear, NY station during a Sunday > after Thanksgiving. Date: 11/25/14 00:59 Re: Chicago Union Station Files - Advance HI Sections Author: mp51w I could just see Amtrak, we couldn't possibly get a train to New Lisbon and turn it around that fast for the return trip. Ha! It would be neat to trace all those CC initials. GWH- Gerald W Hilton?
Date: 11/25/14 10:09 Re: Chicago Union Station Files - Advance HI Sections Author: Englewood mp51w Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > I could just see Amtrak, we couldn't possibly get > a train to New Lisbon and turn it around that fast > for the return trip. Ha! It would be neat to > trace all those CC initials. GWH- Gerald W > Hilton? FHR F.H. Ryan Supt Milwaukee FAB F.A. Barton GWH Glenn Hyatt Psgr Dept. QWT G.W. Torpin Asst. Genl. Mgr. (?) WRJ Bill Jones Dining Car Dept RJP Ray Peters City Ticket Agent LVA L.V Anderson V.P (?) RCT Richard Tobin CTD Milw (?) Date: 11/25/14 10:38 Re: Chicago Union Station Files - Advance HI Sections Author: TAW penncentral74 Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Seventyfive Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Will the advanced section be flying white flags > ? > > > > Rich > > Because the railroad was CTC, that would remove > most requirements for the train to carry > classification signals, but I think that the first > two sections would carry green flags, and the > third train would carry no signals. The first one wouldn't if it was running ahead of the time of the schedule (as in ...advance). Back then, trains still ran by timetable rules and displayed signals as appropriate, even in CTC (in which some of the rules of timetable operation remained in effect). In those times, spatch was familiar with all of the tools, knew how to use them, and had the liberty (and authority and responsibility) to run trains as he saw fit. That might include running the advance train extra or hanging rags (displaying green signals) on some previous train. http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?4,1350040,1351246#msg-1351246 Date: 02/25/07 14:30 Re: Who stops when with multiple sections? TAW Date: 11/25/14 12:42 Re: Chicago Union Station Files - Advance HI Sections Author: Englewood MThopper Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > What exactly were the "service wells"? Were some > seats removed to create the snack vending space? I have learned that one method used was to store the supplies in the center door stairwells and set up a service area inside the car. For the service area, a pair of seats closest to the vestibule were turned to make up a "four seater" on one or both sides of the aisle. A temporary table was installed to act as a counter. The coffee pots, sandwiches, etc., were then set up on the counter. Date: 11/26/14 08:35 Re: Chicago Union Station Files - Advance HI Sections Author: MThopper Thank you for digging that up.
Date: 11/26/14 20:36 Re: Chicago Union Station Files - Advance HI Sections Author: chakk Smart not to offer beer for sale to the passengers on those advance sections.
Date: 11/03/18 11:00 Re: Chicago Union Station Files - Advance HI Sections Author: mundo Advance sections or special moves, could also operate as a section of a previous schedued train.
Had lots of examples of this in Southern California in the 50's and 60's, Date: 11/03/18 14:31 Re: Chicago Union Station Files - Advance HI Sections Author: Rmosele Englewood Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > mp51w Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I could just see Amtrak, we couldn't possibly > get > > a train to New Lisbon and turn it around that > fast > > for the return trip. Ha! It would be neat to > > trace all those CC initials. GWH- Gerald W > > Hilton? > > FHR F.H. Ryan Supt Milwaukee > FAB F.A. Barton > GWH Glenn Hyatt Psgr Dept. > QWT G.W. Torpin Asst. Genl. Mgr. (?) > WRJ Bill Jones Dining Car Dept > RJP Ray Peters City Ticket Agent > LVA L.V Anderson V.P (?) > RCT Richard Tobin CTD Milw (?) According to a January 1970 Terre Haute Division timetable (two years after this letter) two of your guesses were pretty close: LVA was L.V.Anderson, Assistant Vice President Operations and General Manager QWT was Q.W. Torpin, General Superintenent of Transportation |