Nostalgia & History > Some help with LAUPT trains from 1942

Hi all passenger train historians:

I'm putting together an exhibit can can use some assistance.  I'm looking for starting points (all end points LA) and major cities in route for these trains:

SP 56 - Tehachapi
SP 43 - Californian
SP 5 - Argonaut
AT 21 - El Capitan - Chicago, Kansas City, Abq, Flagstaff
UP 37 - Los Angleles Ltd
UP 7 - Challenger
SP 70 - Coaster
UP 103 - City of Los Angeles - Chicago, Cheyenne (?), Salt Lake City, Las Vegas
AT 1 - Scout
SP 26 - Owl
SP 60 - West Coast
SP 76 - Lark
AT 17 - Super Chief - Chicago, Kansas City, Abq, Flagstaff
AT 51 - Motor
AT 71 - San Diegan - San Diego, Oceanside, San Clemente, Santa Ana, Fullerton
AT 3 - California Limited
AT 19 - Chief - - Chicago, Kansas City, Amarillo, Flagstaff
AT 73 - San Diegan - San Diego, Oceanside, San Clemente, Santa Ana, Fullerton
AT 53 - Motor
SP 1 - Sunset Limited - New Orleans, Houston, El Paso, Tucson, Phoenix
SP 98 - Morning Daylight - San Francisco, San Jose, Salinas, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara
AT 75 - San Diegan - San Diego, Oceanside, San Clemente, Santa Ana, Fullerton
SP 3 - Golden State Limited
SP 52 - San Joaquin Daylight
AT 23 - Grand Canyon Limited
AT 7 - Fast Mail & Express
UP 23 - Pacific Limited
AT 77 - San Diegan - San Diego, Oceanside, San Clemente, Santa Ana, Fullerton
SP 72 - L. A. Passenger
AT 70 - San Diegan - San Diego, Oceanside, San Clemente, Santa Ana, Fullerton

THANK YOU for your assistance.



 

Here a couple of things that will absolutely help you with Santa Fe trains:

http://streamlinermemories.info/SF/SFPassTrainsocr.pdf

http://santafe.gmbus.com/

Bob

ATSF100WEST......Out

 

Thanks Bob.  Unfortunately, the info didn't give the routing or mid-point cities.

iliketrains Wrote:
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> Hi all passenger train historians:
>
> I'm putting together an exhibit can can use some
> assistance.  I'm looking for starting points (all
> end points LA) and major cities in route for
> these trains:
>
> SP 56 - Tehachapi 

The Tehachapi was a 'heavyweight' Mail train of baggage cars of various types and a 'rider' coach that ran from Los Angeles to Oakland setting out and picking up various cars along the way.  ran from LA over tehachapi to Bakersfield, Fresno, Modesto, Pittsburg and Oakland with soem cars going to Sacramento.  More here:  http://espee.railfan.net/tehachapi.html

 

iliketrains Wrote:
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> Hi all passenger train historians:
>
> I'm putting together an exhibit can can use some
> assistance.  I'm looking for starting points (all
> end points LA) and major cities in route for
> these trains:
>

> SP 5 - Argonaut  Secondary train to the Sunset Limited Los Angeles to New Orleans
> UP 37 - Los Angleles Ltd     Las Vegas, Salt Lake / Ogden, Cheyenne, Omaha and on to Chicago. 
> UP 7 - Challenger   Las Vegas, Salt Lake / Ogden, Cheyenne, Omaha and on to Chicago
> AT 1 - Scout  Los  Angeles to Chicago via Fullerton, Flagstaff, Amarillo, Wichita, Kansas City
> SP 26 - Owl  Los Angeles to Oakland via Tehachapi, Bakersfield, Fresno,
> SP 60 - West Coast  Los Angeles to Portland via the San Joaquin Valley - Tehachapi, Bakersfield, Fresno, Sacramento
> SP 76 - Lark  Los Angeles to San Francisco and Oakland via the coast line- Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo, Salinas, San Jose
> AT 3 - California Limited  La to Chicago via Raton Pass - same as the Super Chief
> SP 3 - Golden State Limited    Los Angeles - Chicago via Tucumcari in conjunction with the Rock Island
> SP 52 - San Joaquin Daylight  Los Angeles to Oakland via tehachapi, Bakersfield, Fresno,
> AT 23 - Grand Canyon Limited Same routing as the Super Chief over Raton Pass and through Albuquerque
> AT 7 - Fast Mail & Express  LA to Chicago, don;t know if it ran via Raton or Amarillo
> UP 23 - Pacific Limited  operated between Chicago and Ogden, Utah where it was split to serve Los Angeles and San Francisco
> SP 72 - L. A. Passenger  Los Angeles to San francisco via the Coast route
 



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/03/16 12:07 by cabanillas.

Terrific assistance.  Here's what I have now:

SP 56  Tehachapi
SP 43  Californian
SP 5  Argonaut – New Orleans, Houston, El Paso, Tucson, Phoenix
AT 21  El Capitan - Chicago, Kansas City, Albuquerque, Flagstaff
UP 37  Los Angeles Ltd - Chicago, Omaha, Cheyenne, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas
UP 7  Challenger - Chicago, Omaha, Cheyenne, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas
SP 70  Coaster
UP 103  City of Los Angeles - Chicago, Omaha, Cheyenne, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas
AT 1   Scout – Chicago, Kansas City, Wichita, Amarillo, Flagstaff, Fullerton
SP 26  Owl – Oakland, Fresno, Bakersfield, Tehachapi
SP 60  West Coast – Portland, Sacramento, Fresno, Bakersfield, Tehachapi
SP 76  Lark - San Francisco, San Jose, Salinas, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara
AT 17  Super Chief - Chicago, Kansas City, Albuquerque, Flagstaff
AT 51  Motor
AT 71  San Diegan - San Diego, Oceanside, San Clemente, Santa Ana, Fullerton
AT 3   California Limited - Chicago, Kansas City, Albuquerque, Flagstaff
AT 19  Chief - - Chicago, Kansas City, Amarillo, Flagstaff
AT 73   San Diegan - San Diego, Oceanside, San Clemente, Santa Ana, Fullerton
AT 53  Motor
SP 1   Sunset Limited - New Orleans, Houston, El Paso, Tucson, Phoenix
SP 98  Morning Daylight - San Francisco, San Jose, Salinas, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara
AT 75  San Diegan - San Diego, Oceanside, San Clemente, Santa Ana, Fullerton
SP 3  Golden State Limited – Chicago, Tucumcari, El Paso, Tucson, Phoenix
SP 52  San Joaquin Daylight - Oakland, Fresno, Bakersfield, Tehachapi
AT 23   Grand Canyon Limited - Chicago, Kansas City, Albuquerque, Flagstaff, Grand Canyon
AT 7  Fast Mail & Express – Chicago
UP 23  Pacific Limited - Chicago, Omaha, Cheyenne, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas
AT 77   San Diegan - San Diego, Oceanside, San Clemente, Santa Ana, Fullerton
SP 72   L. A. Passenger - San Francisco, San Jose, Salinas, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara
AT 70   San Diegan - San Diego, Oceanside, San Clemente, Santa Ana, Fullerton

MISSING:

SP 56  Tehachapi
SP 43  Californian
SP 70  Coaster
AT 51  Motor
AT 53  Motor
AT 7  Fast Mail & Express – Chicago via ???


 

SP 55-56 Tehachapi ran btw Los Angeles and Fresno.
SP 43-44 Californian ran btw LA and Chicago via EL Paso as counterpart to Golden State w/the Rock Island.
SP 69-70 Coaster ran btw LA and San Francisco via Coast Line.
Santa Fe 51 and 53-54 were motorcars btw San Bernardino and LA via Riverside (oddly a 52 doesn't appear).
Santa Fe 7-8 ran Chicago and LA via La Junta and Albuquerque.

Info from December 1942 OGR.

DONE.  YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME - AS ALWAYS.

SP 56  “Tehachapi” - Fresno, Bakersfield, Tehachapi
SP 43  “Californian” - Chicago, Tucumcari, El Paso, Tucson, Phoenix
SP 5  “Argonaut” – New Orleans, Houston, El Paso, Tucson, Phoenix
AT 21  “El Capitan” - Chicago, Kansas City, Albuquerque, Flagstaff
UP 37  “Los Angeles Limited” - Chicago, Omaha, Cheyenne, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas
UP 7  “Challenger” - Chicago, Omaha, Cheyenne, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas
SP 70  “Coaster” - San Francisco, San Jose, Salinas, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara
UP 103  “City of Los Angeles” - Chicago, Omaha, Cheyenne, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas
AT 1   “Scout” – Chicago, Kansas City, Wichita, Amarillo, Flagstaff, Fullerton
SP 26  “Owl” – Oakland, Fresno, Bakersfield, Tehachapi
SP 60  “West Coast” – Portland, Sacramento, Fresno, Bakersfield, Tehachapi
SP 76  “Lark” - San Francisco, San Jose, Salinas, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara
AT 17  “Super Chief” - Chicago, Kansas City, Albuquerque, Flagstaff
AT 51  “Motor” - San Bernardino, Riverside, Fullerton
AT 71  “San Diegan” - San Diego, Oceanside, San Clemente, Santa Ana, Fullerton
AT 3   “California Limited” - Chicago, Kansas City, Albuquerque, Flagstaff
AT 19  “Chief” - Chicago, Kansas City, Amarillo, Flagstaff
AT 73   “San Diegan” - San Diego, Oceanside, San Clemente, Santa Ana, Fullerton
AT 53  “Motor” - San Bernardino, Riverside, Fullerton
SP 1   “Sunset Limited” - New Orleans, Houston, El Paso, Tucson, Phoenix
SP 98  “Morning Daylight” - San Francisco, San Jose, Salinas, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara
AT 75  “San Diegan” - San Diego, Oceanside, San Clemente, Santa Ana, Fullerton
SP 3  “Golden State Limited” – Chicago, Tucumcari, El Paso, Tucson, Phoenix
SP 52  “San Joaquin Daylight” - Oakland, Fresno, Bakersfield, Tehachapi
AT 23   “Grand Canyon Limited” - Chicago, Kansas City, Albuquerque, Flagstaff, Grand Canyon
AT 7  “Fast Mail & Express” – Chicago, Kansas City, Albuquerque, Flagstaff
UP 23  “Pacific Limited” - Chicago, Omaha, Cheyenne, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas
AT 77   “San Diegan” - San Diego, Oceanside, San Clemente, Santa Ana, Fullerton
SP 72   “L. A. Passenger” - San Francisco, San Jose, Salinas, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara
AT 70   “San Diegan” - San Diego, Oceanside, San Clemente, Santa Ana, Fullerton

 

I believe that the  San Joaquin also had a Sacramento section that was added/cutoff at Lathrop.

Also, there should have been a Santa Fe 52 which wold have been a local LA - San Bernardino.  AT 51 and 53 were WB locals via Riverside (as noted earlier) - through Riverside in the morning and afternoon.  AT 54 came EB through Riverside in the evening.  Oddly enogh, the EB connterpart to AT 51 (the 52) op;erated via Pasadena.

You might note that the OWL ran via Los Banos and all other SP passenger trains ran via Merced.

And what happened to the eastbound "City of Los Angeles": Las Vegas-Salt Lake City-Ogden-Cheyenne-Omaha-Boone, IA-Chicago.

Further on the Fast Mail, Santa Fe #7&8:  Chicago-Kansas City-La Junta-Albuquerque(sp)-Barstow-LA.  Not sure of the routing
between Barstow and LA.  

Nick Tharalson,
Marion, IA

Thanks - these were just the arrivals.  There were departures similar each day.

Eastbound counterpart to train 51 would have been train 42 via  Pasadena.

It was normal for train 53, to operate via Olive.   Have not checked to see if that was the case in your time period.

AT 70 should be AT 79 , all arriving AT&SF trains are odd numbered
There were four San Diegan and one passenger (coast local) from San Diego. In 1942 the local was numbered 75 except for during January and early Feb. 1942 when the local ran as No. 77.
SP 76 the Lark had through cars from Oakland

Cliff