European Railroad Discussion > DB - diesels - 1972

Diesel operations in and out of Hamburg in 1972 were generally to the north: Denmark, Kiel, Sylt. All of the above lines were not electrified and thus had diesel operations. South out of Hamburg was all electrified operation.

I saw only three classes of diesel: 216, 218 & 220-221s. The units seemed to be used in both freight and passenger operations.

1: Class 218 at Hamburg-Altona on a passenger train.
2: Class 216 at Luneberg on a passenger train.
3: Class 220 at Hamburg on a freight train.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/26/14 06:42 by MEKoch.

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4: 220 class at Hamburg-Altona
5: 220 class at Hamburg-Volksdorf on a commuter train to Lubeck
6: 220 class at Hamburg on commuter train



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/26/14 06:46 by MEKoch.

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7: 221 class at Hamburg-Altona

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It's interesting that the DB was using computer check numbers already in 1972 (the 7th digit in the locomotive numbers).

Ray

Would a 220 class have pulled the Trans European Express circa 1963? Landstuhl to Paris.

norm1153 Wrote:
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> Would a 220 class have pulled the Trans European
> Express circa 1963? Landstuhl to Paris.

Not sure which TEE service that might have been -- but that's moot, since in 1963 there were no locomotive hauled TEE's, just diesel or electric multiple units. Of course, a V200 [ as they were then ] could have hauled a defective dmu within Germany, but that's the exception.

Best rgds, SZ



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/27/14 09:25 by Steinzeit.

Ray_Murphy Wrote:
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> It's interesting that the DB was using computer
> check numbers already in 1972 (the 7th digit in
> the locomotive numbers).

Conversion began in 1968 and was completed in 1970 (mostly). During that time, the leading class type letter ('E' for Electric, 'V' for Diesel, etc) was replaced by a single digit ('1' for Electric, '2' for Diesel etc), the resulting new class was shortened to 3 digits if necessary and the check number was added. So for example E10 256 would become 110 256–5 and the 221 129-0 in the above picture 7 was the former V200 129 (this is also an example of an exception to the rule above, as the class V200.1 was renumbered class 221)

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Even more striking is that the re-numbering scheme, involving the use of computer check numbers, extended to East Germany as well. Note that the East German pacific in my photo posted previous thread has one. There has always been much more conversation across supposedly impenetrable borders than official accounts would acknowledge. It just goes to show we shouldn't believe all we read in the news, or hear about on TV!

spflow Wrote:
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> Even more striking is that the re-numbering
> scheme, involving the use of computer check
> numbers, extended to East Germany as well. Note
> that the East German pacific in my photo posted
> previous thread has one.

Deutsche Reichsbahn started later than DB with the introduction of the "Computernummern", in 1970 and used a different scheme. A '1' was used for diesel locomotives and DMU (DB used a '2' (loco)and a '6' (DMU)) and a '2' for electrical locomotives and EMU (DB used a '1' (loco) and '4' (EMU)). This was the first larger deviation from an otherwise very harmonized class numbering scheme since both railways came into existence after the war. The change to the computer "digestible" numbers was originally initiated by the UIC (Union internationale des chemins de fer == International Union of Railways).

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