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Date: 02/08/13 10:04
STB aproves CSX using GTW from Munster IN/Elsdon IL
Author: MSchwiebert




Date: 02/08/13 10:29
Re: STB aproves CSX using GTW from Munster IN/Elsdon IL
Author: perf4strivection

Are the CSX/CN trains that will use this trackage rights agreement known at this time? I am assuming that this is to bypass some of the Chicago congestion.

FDF



Date: 02/08/13 10:36
Re: STB aproves CSX using GTW from Munster IN/Elsdon IL
Author: Typhoon

perf4strivection Wrote:
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> Are the CSX/CN trains that will use this trackage
> rights agreement known at this time? I am
> assuming that this is to bypass some of the
> Chicago congestion.
>
> FDF


Any CSX traffic from CSX to BRC Clearing will be routed over the Eldson sub once the connections at Vermont St and Thorton Jct are put in. Also, traffic to Bedford Park will go via the Eldson sub as well.



Date: 02/08/13 10:40
Re: STB aproves CSX using GTW from Munster IN/Elsdon IL
Author: toledopatch

Typhoon Wrote:
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> perf4strivection Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Are the CSX/CN trains that will use this
> trackage
> > rights agreement known at this time? I am
> > assuming that this is to bypass some of the
> > Chicago congestion.
> >
> > FDF
>
>
> Any CSX traffic from CSX to BRC Clearing will be
> routed over the Eldson sub once the connections at
> Vermont St and Thornton Jct are put in. Also,
> traffic to Bedford Park will go via the Eldson sub
> as well.

And the Vermont St connection would be just north of Blue Island Crossing, right?



Date: 02/08/13 10:42
Re: STB aproves CSX using GTW from Munster IN/Elsdon IL
Author: Typhoon

toledopatch Wrote:
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> Typhoon Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > perf4strivection Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Are the CSX/CN trains that will use this
> > trackage
> > > rights agreement known at this time? I am
> > > assuming that this is to bypass some of the
> > > Chicago congestion.
> > >
> > > FDF
> >
> >
> > Any CSX traffic from CSX to BRC Clearing will
> be
> > routed over the Eldson sub once the connections
> at
> > Vermont St and Thornton Jct are put in. Also,
> > traffic to Bedford Park will go via the Eldson
> sub
> > as well.
>
> And the Vermont St connection would be just north
> of Blue Island Crossing, right?

Correct.



Date: 02/08/13 11:10
Re: STB aproves CSX using GTW from Munster IN/Elsdon IL
Author: MSchwiebert

Does this revive the talk of a connection at Wellsboro IN between the CN & CSX where (if I remember right) a westbound CSX could go west on the CN?



Date: 02/08/13 12:13
Re: STB aproves CSX using GTW from Munster IN/Elsdon IL
Author: inCHI

Once a week I work at 75th and Racine in Chicago, right next to the NS/BRC main. I do see CSX trains (manifests) on that route. If I understand correctly, these would be (some) of the trains using the GTW? And the would access it near 75th and Central Park Ave.?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/08/13 12:13 by inRVA.



Date: 02/08/13 16:08
Re: STB aproves CSX using GTW from Munster IN/Elsdon IL
Author: dispr

One of the first immediate changes that will occur once CSX takes over will be the closing of GTW Tower at BI Junction. Since the CN operators already use the CSX Dispatching system to control the interlocking, the location can be remoted almost immediately.

Once the connections at Vermont - 127th Street are finished, some of the following changes will be seen:
Y130 - the daily Barr Yard to Clearing transfer run which currently runs north on the BI Sub to 75th Street, runs around their train and then delivers to the BRC will now have a direct run from Barr to Clearing - a 12 hour job reduced to 4.
The CSX manifest trains at originate at the BRC to go east (Q386, Q388) and operate either over the UP to Dolton or the NS to Pine Junction will run direct to Barr Yard and east. The same for trains like Q500, Q389 & Q393 which come from the east for the BRC.

The second phase of the Elsdon SD will be the building of the connection at Thornton Junction with the UP. This work has not started yet. This routing will allow the bypassing of very congested Dolton / Yard Center section of the UP. Some intermodal trains will operate this route and some manifest trains will two, but I expect that other trains will continue to use their current traditional routes.

The Elsdon SD takeover by CSX will transform how CSX operates in Chicago. It will allow CSX to get off or drasticly reduce expensive trackage rights on the NS between CP501 & CP509 and the UP between Dolton and 80th Street and maintain more control of their operation.

A lot of work still needs to be done for CSX to take full advantage of the Elsdon SD.



Date: 02/08/13 16:26
Re: STB aproves CSX using GTW from Munster IN/Elsdon IL
Author: inCHI

The above reply has great info... but does anyone have a relevant map they can upload? I have some Chicago maps but they don't include all junction and subdivision names.



Date: 02/08/13 20:50
Re: STB aproves CSX using GTW from Munster IN/Elsdon IL
Author: peoriarr1

On googlemaps.com you can see the new vermont street connection under construction.



Date: 02/09/13 02:38
Re: STB aproves CSX using GTW from Munster IN/Elsdon IL
Author: slingshot2

inRVA Wrote:
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> The above reply has great info... but does anyone
> have a relevant map they can upload? I have some
> Chicago maps but they don't include all junction
> and subdivision names.


Download their STB application and you'll find detail maps on pages 58, 153, 155 - 156, 197 - 199, 201 - 233 and more.

http://www.stb.dot.gov/FILINGS/all.nsf/d6ef3e0bc7fe3c6085256fe1004f61cb/71b5735e8b13337885257a5900698cab/$FILE/232728.pdf



Date: 02/09/13 04:20
Re: STB aproves CSX using GTW from Munster IN/Elsdon IL
Author: howeld

If i understand this correctly most changes are occurring west of blue island? There will be no reductions in traffic in Dolton until the Thornton connection is built?

There was talk of a connection way out east in indiana where the CN(GTW) crossed the CSX(b&o) mainline and csx moving some trains over the CN to the same endpoints as this deal allows but bypassing Dolton and Pine jct completely. Has any more come of that?

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Date: 02/09/13 05:51
Re: STB approves CSX using GTW from Munster IN/Elsdon I
Author: rantoul

I conclude the reroute means a reduction in the number of trains running via the B&OCTRR route, an increase in the number of trains via the GTW route, both routes being north of Barr Yard/Blue Island and south of Clearing Yard/75th St. junction. The GTW and B&OCTRR routes parallel each other (north-south) about 1 mile apart (GTW to the west, B&OCTRR to the east).

Also, until the Dolton connection is built may not be much change at Blue Island Broadway Street crossing, except for slower trains on B&OCTRR coming from or going through the north of the Sag Canal bridge crossover.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/09/13 05:57 by rantoul.



Date: 02/09/13 06:35
Re: STB aproves CSX using GTW from Munster IN/Elsdon IL
Author: Typhoon

howeld Wrote:
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> If i understand this correctly most changes are
> occurring west of blue island? There will be no
> reductions in traffic in Dolton until the Thornton
> connection is built?
>

Correct. In fact, once the Vermont St connection is built, Dolton will see an INCREASE of traffic, as the trains that went to the BRC over the NS will now go through Dolton.



Date: 02/09/13 16:08
Re: STB aproves CSX using GTW from Munster IN/Elsdon IL
Author: DubyaM

Is this for CSX trains to and from the Monon line at Munster or will CSX trains take the GTW at Wellsboro, IN?



Date: 02/09/13 21:14
Re: STB aproves CSX using GTW from Munster IN/Elsdon IL
Author: slingshot2

DubyaM Wrote:
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> Is this for CSX trains to and from the Monon line
> at Munster or will CSX trains take the GTW at
> Wellsboro, IN?


Wellsboro to Munster is not included in this at all.



Date: 02/10/13 02:25
Re: STB aproves CSX using GTW from Munster IN/Elsdon IL
Author: DubyaM

I realize in this particular action that the line from Wellsboro to Munster is not included but if CSX is going to use the line from Munster to Elsdon, IL, then what CSX traffic is going to operate over this segment?



Date: 02/10/13 21:33
Re: STB aproves CSX using GTW from Munster IN/Elsdon IL
Author: dt8089

DubyaM Wrote:
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> I realize in this particular action that the line
> from Wellsboro to Munster is not included but if
> CSX is going to use the line from Munster to
> Elsdon, IL, then what CSX traffic is going to
> operate over this segment?
Traffic off the old Monon to BRC Clearing Yard. Dan



Date: 02/12/13 10:59
Re: STB aproves CSX using GTW from Munster IN/Elsdon IL
Author: espeefan

I would think the signal system needs to be changed on the GTW between these points because it's D251 instead of TCS.



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