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Eastern Railroad Discussion > Corn and Cows on the Bayard Line at MoultrieDate: 08/27/14 02:36 Corn and Cows on the Bayard Line at Moultrie Author: SDP40F600 The Bayard Line is a bucolic Norfolk Southern route that sees little traffic on a typical day. Technically, it is a continuation of the Cleveland Line south of Alliance, Ohio. The normal operating pattern is for most trains to use the Cleveland Line west of Alliance and the Fort Wayne Line east of there en route to Conway Yard near Pittsburgh. But for operating purposes, some trains use the Bayard Line, which operates via its namesake town of Bayard, Ohio. The Bayard Line continues to Yellow Creek, Ohio, on the Ohio River where trains can either turn to go to Conway or to Mingo Junction.
One favorite photo spot on the Bayard is Moultrie, a wide spot in the road that features a dairy farm and some rolling hills. Better yet, there are no trees immediately along the right of way. Last Sunday the 14N received a track warrant to travel on the Bayard Line. A friend and I then made tracks over to Moultrie. This 14N was actually the one that originated on Saturday. The 14N that originated on Sunday had the Central of Georgia heritage unit on it, but it didn't get to Alliance until just after 1 a.m., and it took the Bayard Line, too. (Photo 1): The cows had moved en masse down to track side shortly after we arrived. But as soon as the train came along, they went tearing up the hill. Or should I say they moved as fast as cows can move. (Photo 2): The silos and dairy farm barns loom in the background as the 14N cruises along. (Photo 3): What? No trackside trees? Yes, there are a few places left like that. Some of the corn is about ready for harvest, but not all of it. Date: 08/27/14 02:38 Re: Corn and Cows on the Bayard Line at Moultrie Author: SDP40F600 The sun had been playing hide and seek with the clouds and was in hide mode when the head end of the 14N passed in front of our lenses.
(Photo 5): a flat car frames a farmstead up the hill slightly at Moultrie. (Photo 6): Now the sun is out as the rear of the train passes the rolling hills nearby. Date: 08/27/14 03:17 Re: Corn and Cows on the Bayard Line at Moultrie Author: richs Great images. Thanks for posting.
Does the Bayard have clearance issues for double stacks, but flatter than the Ft. Wayne for heavy drags? TIA RichS Date: 08/27/14 03:49 Re: Corn and Cows on the Bayard Line at Moultrie Author: jmbreitigan Very nice Craig. Thanks for the coverage of this line. Those cows match the NS leader in photo #1.
John Date: 08/27/14 08:41 Re: Corn and Cows on the Bayard Line at Moultrie Author: robj right, really, love number one.
Bob Jordan Date: 08/27/14 09:02 Re: Corn and Cows on the Bayard Line at Moultrie Author: DJ-12 richs Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Great images. Thanks for posting. > Does the Bayard have clearance issues for double > stacks, but flatter than the Ft. Wayne for heavy > drags? > TIA > RichS Nice shots! IIRC, the Cleveland Line between Rochester and Alliance cannot accommodate stacks. I don't know where the limiting restriction is. You see mostly eastbound freights on the line because there is a pretty stiff westbound pull from Yellow Creek to Summitville. Westbounds also have to get a track warrant in that stretch, whereas eastbound don't, IIRC. This is because all trains use the former eastbound main, which is signaled current of traffic for eastbounds. The former westbound main is still intact, but out of service and used for car storage. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/27/14 09:03 by PittsburghMike. Date: 08/27/14 09:07 Re: Corn and Cows on the Bayard Line at Moultrie Author: ep75 I think the Rt 7 bridge at Yellow Creek, the Beaver Creek bridge on the Ohio/Pennsylvania border, and the Beaver River bridge at Rochester have or had height restrictions.
Posted from Android Date: 08/27/14 09:38 Re: Corn and Cows on the Bayard Line at Moultrie Author: wa4umr It's funny how we look at things one way and those poor people that can't appreciate the world of choo choos look at them. The picture with the slabs on the bulkhead flatcar is one example. I think the flat is great, kind of frames the photo. Those other people would have waited for the train to clear... and then they would have moved a bit closer so that they didn't get any tracks in the photo. I suspect everyone here appreciates some iron in their pictures, welllll, maybe not their wedding photos, but most everything else.
BTW, nice pictures. John Date: 08/27/14 10:41 Re: Corn and Cows on the Bayard Line at Moultrie Author: richs PittsburghMike Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > richs Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Great images. Thanks for posting. > > Does the Bayard have clearance issues for > double > > stacks, but flatter than the Ft. Wayne for > heavy > > drags? > > TIA > > RichS > > Nice shots! > > IIRC, the Cleveland Line between Rochester and > Alliance cannot accommodate stacks. I don't know > where the limiting restriction is. You see mostly > eastbound freights on the line because there is a > pretty stiff westbound pull from Yellow Creek to > Summitville. Westbounds also have to get a track > warrant in that stretch, whereas eastbound don't, > IIRC. This is because all trains use the former > eastbound main, which is signaled current of > traffic for eastbounds. The former westbound main > is still intact, but out of service and used for > car storage. Thanks for the information. I really am fascinated by the Bayard branch. Who (Conrail, NS??) took the westbound out of service. Now for a big confession. I, not knowing what IIRC meant searched and found the Indiana Interstate Railway Co. Then I checked a map showing owners of various lines. Mmmm, I was even more confused. Then further research taught me IIRC stands for if I remember correctly! Learn something new every day applies to me today! RichS Date: 08/27/14 10:57 Re: Corn and Cows on the Bayard Line at Moultrie Author: 41bridge Cleveland Line Alliance to Rochester has an 18'10" height limit. No double stacks or auto racks. Everything else is OK. We usually have eastbounds checked by a westbound prior to Alliance. Worst case scenario is the high car detector at Moult, RD 58, to check, then offending cars can be set out at Bayard to be picked up by a westbound.
Abe Lincoln traveled over this line in Feb., 1861, on his way to Pittsburgh. You can see the commemorative marker at the west end of the Alliance station. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/27/14 11:08 by 41bridge. Date: 08/27/14 10:58 Re: Corn and Cows on the Bayard Line at Moultrie Author: SDP40F600 IIRC = If I Recall Correctly. That is, if I recall correctly.
Date: 08/27/14 13:24 Re: Corn and Cows on the Bayard Line at Moultrie Author: DJ-12 richs Wrote:
> > Thanks for the information. I really am > fascinated by the Bayard branch. > Who (Conrail, NS??) took the westbound out of > service. > > Now for a big confession. I, not knowing what IIRC > meant searched and found the Indiana Interstate > Railway Co. Then I checked a map showing owners of > various lines. Mmmm, I was even more confused. > Then further research taught me IIRC stands for if > I remember correctly! > Learn something new every day applies to me > today! > RichS I believe that was done in the Conrail era, but would welcome some clarification on that point. Date: 08/27/14 14:37 Re: Corn and Cows on the Bayard Line at Moultrie Author: ns1000 Cool pics!!
Date: 08/27/14 15:45 Re: Corn and Cows on the Bayard Line at Moultrie Author: erie833 Nice photos, #2 and the bulkhead frame work for me. These photos are actually on what was the ex PRR Mahoning Secondary. It has always been "dark" territory. The "Bayard Branch" went east from a connection with the Ft Wayne Line at Fairhope (east side of Canton, Ohio) through Bayard (where the C&P joined it) to Rochester, Pa. Conrail built a connection in the SW corner of the diamond at Alliance and then removed the Bayard Branch between Fairhope and Bayard. Conrail also removed from service Cleveland Line main #2 between CP River and CP Shale. Any heavy westbound from River got a helper, mostly CEI coal in the latter days of double track operations. Of interest, the Nickle Plate considered purchasing the Bayard Branch between Canton and Bayard ("Bayard Cutoff").
RAD Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/27/14 15:50 by erie833. Date: 08/27/14 18:06 Re: Corn and Cows on the Bayard Line at Moultrie Author: tp117 erie833 is correct, altho I had forgotten that. I checked my CR track charts and both the Ft Wayne Line and the Cleveland line have almost the same grade climbing out of the Ohio River Valley. It is 0.91 for about three miles on the Ft Wayne and a max of 0.94 on the Cleveland line for 5 miles. these are not severe grades with today's locomotives, and most WB trains are lighter than eastbounds, mostly empties. Conrail debated the future of the Cleveland line east of Alliance and the Conemaugh Line until the end. Both lines are spare on local traffic, especially the Conemaugh, but they kept both of them for mineral traffic and alternates to the preferred main lines.
With the increasing oil traffic (soon to be three a day to Delaware City, and maybe one other, plus ethanol, that NS would consider removing stored cars, putting CTC Rule 261 on the entire route, and use it more. The DCS portion is only 12.5 miles miles requiring just a few more signals including the 11.500 foot siding south of Alliance. Date: 08/28/14 07:14 Re: Corn and Cows on the Bayard Line at Moultrie Author: DJ-12 tp117 Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > erie833 is correct, altho I had forgotten that. I > checked my CR track charts and both the Ft Wayne > Line and the Cleveland line have almost the same > grade climbing out of the Ohio River Valley. It is > 0.91 for about three miles on the Ft Wayne and a > max of 0.94 on the Cleveland line for 5 miles. > these are not severe grades with today's > locomotives, and most WB trains are lighter than > eastbounds, mostly empties. Conrail debated the > future of the Cleveland line east of Alliance and > the Conemaugh Line until the end. Both lines are > spare on local traffic, especially the Conemaugh, > but they kept both of them for mineral traffic and > alternates to the preferred main lines. > > With the increasing oil traffic (soon to be three > a day to Delaware City, and maybe one other, plus > ethanol, that NS would consider removing stored > cars, putting CTC Rule 261 on the entire route, > and use it more. The DCS portion is only 12.5 > miles miles requiring just a few more signals > including the 11.500 foot siding south of > Alliance. TP117, to my knowledge and observations, most if not all of the oil/ethanol moves stick to the Ft Wayne Line. It appears (based on my admittedly limited visits + conversations with NS ops folks) that NS likes to use the route as a place to stash an eastbound train or 2 if they know they won't be able to take it at Conway, so that way its not hanging out on the Ft Wayne side tying up one of that route. During my last visit, they had an eastbound merchandise train tied down at Vanport without a crew doing just that. |