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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/15/20 19:30 by F40PHR231.

Actually, your pictures show parts of the system that are in operation now:

http://www.mta.info/sites/default/files/pdf/SubwayRecoveryMap_0.pdf

Ray

Awesome photos!

WNBC-4 had pictures this morning from inside the newly rebuilt and newly flooded South Ferry subway station.

Seawater was up to the stairs from the street. The MTA guy leading the facilities tour estimated there was 20 feet of water above the rail to where they stood.

I saw that story here on the left coast. I can't believe how much destruction there is. The national media, in my opinion, are NOT reporting things accurately enough. They haven't even mentioned Long Island, where many residents (including my aunt) are still out of power and have lots of destroyed and exploded homes. But of course, we know why they don't report how bad things are...it might reflect poorly, albeit accurately, on "the one".

coaststarlight99 Wrote:
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> I saw that story here on the left coast. I can't
> believe how much destruction there is. The
> national media, in my opinion, are NOT reporting
> things accurately enough. They haven't even
> mentioned Long Island, where many residents
> (including my aunt) are still out of power and
> have lots of destroyed and exploded homes. But of
> course, we know why they don't report how bad
> things are...it might reflect poorly, albeit
> accurately, on "the one".


Especially so close to Nov 6

What the hell are you nutjobs talking about?

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coaststarlight99 Wrote:
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> I saw that story here on the left coast. I can't
> believe how much destruction there is. The
> national media, in my opinion, are NOT reporting
> things accurately enough. They haven't even
> mentioned Long Island, where many residents
> (including my aunt) are still out of power and
> have lots of destroyed and exploded homes. But of
> course, we know why they don't report how bad
> things are...it might reflect poorly, albeit
> accurately, on "the one".


The media in the NY area is reporting almost continuously on the destruction in places like Breezy Point, Freeport Long Island, Sea Bright NJ, etc. Several stations have been reporting continuously, skipping normal programming, until last Thursday.

The political leaders, esp Bloomberg have been pounded for screw ups, but praised for taking decisive action. Cuomo took control of the MTA's re-start, and Christie pushed NJ Transit to get the buses rolling ASAP. Bloomberg was hammered for having 500 port a potties and truckloads of water set up for the Marathon while victims of flooding had no water, no roof, and not even a place to poop. It got a lot of attention around here.

The subways, NJ Transit, etc are mostly getting praise for resuming service so quickly. In many cases, that's because they secured their equipment and their people. NJT Rail is the glaring exception and Christie has already said he'll get to the bottom of that mess.

Getting in and out of NYC from Trenton on Friday, which is not my normal station, was pretty good on Amtrak. NEC trains also seemed to be rolling. But crewing the NJT trains was an issue on Friday. Re-starting the other NJT train lines that were supposed to "go" on a truncated service on Friday didn't happen because the MMC Operations center that controls the NJT signaling and train movements failed.

Many commuters on Monday are going to be dealing with new commuting patterns on Monday. The buses are not going to be able to take it and unfortunately, Christie can call LaHood for rail cars/equipment, but that's not going to ease the situation too much as this country, and especially Amtrak does not have extra rail equipment, let alone a four way ROW from NJ to NYC. Everyone is going to be clamoring to the NEC, NJT buses, and Amtrak.

At this point, we need the Clockers back on the NEC, if Amtrak could do it.

Subways south of 34th Street in NYC - I doubt many will ever look the same.

Our mass transit system come Monday both in NYC and the tri-state area for that matter, and especially NJ, is going to be hard pressed. And it's going to be this way for a while I am afraid. My commute was 1 hour and 10 minutes. It will now be closer to two hours if I am lucky - one way. And that's with using a train station 40 minutes away.

New York Subways are neither pleasant nor unpleasant. The big job is to keep the unpleasant to as low a level as possible. In the last few years, they have done a credible job. I hope this storm will not set those efforts back too far. At the very least, the floors will be a little cleaner from being washed with sea water...!

a737flyer Wrote:
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> New York Subways are neither pleasant nor
> unpleasant. The big job is to keep the unpleasant
> to as low a level as possible. In the last few
> years, they have done a credible job. I hope this
> storm will not set those efforts back too far. At
> the very least, the floors will be a little
> cleaner from being washed with sea water...!

Um......with the sea water comes mud and many subway stations below 34th Street will need to be rebuilt AGAIN. They still have water in the lower subway lines in Manhattan - as of Saturday, November 3rd. This is not good for any infrastructure below ground!

I can remember subway service being truncated at 34th Street for weeks after 9/11, and some lines - months. Yes, we are sort of back to that condition in some ways at present. Power was largely cut off south of 39th Street in NYC. However, my office is on 34th and we did have power on Friday. So each day it seems they are going a little further south in Manhattan. But dowtown infrastruture is still a mess, let alone the boroughs and tri-state areas!

But on the "bright" side. The rat problem in the subways is under control, for now...

jp1822 Wrote:
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> I can remember subway service being truncated at
> 34th Street for weeks after 9/11, and some lines -
> months. Yes, we are sort of back to that condition
> in some ways at present. Power was largely cut off
> south of 39th Street in NYC. However, my office is
> on 34th and we did have power on Friday. So each
> day it seems they are going a little further south
> in Manhattan. But downtown infrastructure is still a
> mess, let alone the boroughs and tri-state areas!


Actually some 7th Avenue service went to 14th Street. Depending on configuration they could run #1 to 14th Street while keeping #2 ending at 34th and until Clark Street tunnel opens.

On 6th and 8th Avenue can run to west 4th and/or 2nd Avenue.

Interesting that lines across Manhattan and Williamsburg bridges have not opened.

nm2320 Wrote:
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> Interesting that lines across Manhattan and
> Williamsburg bridges have not opened.

I wondered about that as well. On the Brooklyn side, the Willie B lines are above ground. Maybe the Manhattan underground stations are flooded?

Lackawanna484 Wrote:
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> The media in the NY area is reporting almost
> continuously on the destruction in places like
> Breezy Point, Freeport Long Island, Sea Bright NJ,
> etc. Several stations have been reporting
> continuously, skipping normal programming, until
> last Thursday.

Yes, *locally*. My DirecTV allows me to watch local NY news, so I've seen what's going on. But the national news? That's a whole different story. Compare the coverage of this to Katrina. Night and day.

coaststarlight99 Wrote:
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> I saw that story here on the left coast. I can't
> believe how much destruction there is. The
> national media, in my opinion, are NOT reporting
> things accurately enough. They haven't even
> mentioned Long Island, where many residents
> (including my aunt) are still out of power and
> have lots of destroyed and exploded homes. But of
> course, we know why they don't report how bad
> things are...it might reflect poorly, albeit
> accurately, on "the one".

WTF?

doge_of_pocopson Wrote:
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> coaststarlight99 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I saw that story here on the left coast. I
> can't
> > believe how much destruction there is. The
> > national media, in my opinion, are NOT
> reporting
> > things accurately enough. They haven't even
> > mentioned Long Island, where many residents
> > (including my aunt) are still out of power and
> > have lots of destroyed and exploded homes. But
> of
> > course, we know why they don't report how bad
> > things are...it might reflect poorly, albeit
> > accurately, on "the one".
>
> WTF?


Apparently, "the one" (whoever that might be) can just wave his wand and restore power, push back the flood waters, and instantly rebuild homes..........only if he wanted to!

the comparison is trying to be made between how george w. bush handled katrina and how barack obama is handling sandy. if the media doesn't comment on the situation accurately to the national audience, the insinuation can be made in the short term that obama the democrat is "doing a better job" than george the republican did. they have to keep this up until tomorrow, after the voting is done, and then can show us all of those horrible things that they didn't before and love to show us for the "blood and guts" rating getters. my .02. let's get the trains moving. dave, out.



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