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Passenger Trains > Questions Questions QuestionsDate: 10/21/14 16:23 Questions Questions Questions Author: kdrtrains I always enjoy reading your opinions regarding the California High Speed Rail and the X train as they are most amusing. So I have several questions for you "professionals".
First question, What is the difference between the CHSR and the X Train projects other than location and destinations? Second question, If the X Train group were given 80 billion in tax payer guaranteed loans (like Solyndra) would their project come about? KR Date: 10/21/14 17:59 Re: Questions Questions Questions Author: dcfbalcoS1 2nd question, answer is NO and they couldn't find the money 15 minutes later either. Computer system would have suffered a mysterious meltdown just before that, all data missing. As with any situation like this in America, they ( whoever 'they' is ) would appologize though and really feel bad.
Date: 10/21/14 18:03 Re: Questions Questions Questions Author: DavidP CHSRA is a public authority that has begun building a purpose built, high speed network in CA. X-Train is a private company that has proposed running conventional passenger service over BNSF and UP lines from Orange Country to Las Vegas. You may be confusing them with XpressWest, formerly DesertXpress, a company that has proposed building and operating a high speed line from Victorville, CA to Vegas, and applied for an FRA loan to fund construction. As for X-Train, if they were loaned the $80B you mention, or even the $535M that Solyndra actually got, they would probably be running by now. Of course, as with Solyndra, there's no guarantee that they could pay the loan back.
Dave Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/21/14 18:04 by DavidP. Date: 10/21/14 21:31 Re: Questions Questions Questions Author: ts1457 If CAHSR had chosen to start with LA - Bakersfield, a truly useful segment, instead of the doomed to failure nowhere to nowhere line, DesertXpress likely would be turning dirt right now:
http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-03/california-rail-project-pursues-deal-with-las-vegas-train.html Date: 10/21/14 22:34 Re: Questions Questions Questions Author: MojaveBill They picked the first section because it is straight and fast - Santa Fe was running trains at 100-plus there in the late 1930s. It's a great place to test equipment. When the freeways were built they began small and were eventually connected, as was the California aqueduct.
Bill Deaver Tehachapi, CA Date: 10/22/14 00:19 Re: Questions Questions Questions Author: ts1457 MojaveBill Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > They picked the first section because it is > straight and fast - Santa Fe was running trains at > 100-plus there in the late 1930s. It's a great > place to test equipment. When the freeways were > built they began small and were eventually > connected, as was the California aqueduct. and that was a complete B___S___ argument. California will get its Cincinnati Subway not running between Nowhere and Nowhere. Date: 10/22/14 07:25 Re: Questions Questions Questions Author: jkchubbes The valley is the cheapest and easiest portion to build, it also allows for use as a "Test track" until the full route is built.
Posted from Android Date: 10/22/14 07:30 Re: Questions Questions Questions Author: ts1457 jkchubbes Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > The valley is the cheapest and easiest portion to > build, it also allows for use as a "Test track" > until the full route is built. > > Posted from Android The point is that the full route won't be built because Nowhere to Nowhere will be a complete failure. Is a test track worth that much to you? Date: 10/22/14 10:10 Re: Questions Questions Questions Author: navy5717th jkchubbes Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > The valley is the cheapest and easiest portion to > build, it also allows for use as a "Test track" > until the full route is built. > > Posted from Android This reminded me of the story about a drunk that a cop found crawling around under a streetlight. The cop asked him what he was doing. He said: "Offisher, I wash tryin' to unlock my car dore an' I dropped the keys, so I'm lookin' fer 'em." The cop asked: "Well your car's not here. Where is it?" The drunk pointed down the street. The cop said: "Well why aren't you looking for your keys down there?" The drunk replied: "Becaush the light's mush better here, offisher…" On the one hand, starting the HSR between Nowhere and Somewhere Else will be easier to build -- but the testing can drag out a lot longer (simply because it's there) to finally demonstrate its unfeasibility. On the other hand, the much-more-difficult-to-build LA-Bakersfield segment would prove that it's not going to work -- in much less time. Just sayin' Fritz in HSV, AL Date: 10/22/14 12:21 Re: Questions Questions Questions Author: Realist Isn't there already a high-speed test track at the TTC in Colorado?
Date: 10/23/14 08:29 Re: Questions Questions Questions Author: 3751_loony Also, Federal stimulus money stated the construction had to start in the Central Valley. If you take money for a project, you have to follow their rules.
Jim Montague IRVINE, CA Train and Nature photo Art Date: 10/24/14 13:23 Re: Questions Questions Questions Author: ts1457 3751_loony Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Also, Federal stimulus money stated the > construction had to start in the Central Valley. > If you take money for a project, you have to > follow their rules. I don't care if the Feds made the initial location decision, it still is a stupid decision. |