Passenger Trains > Long-awaited Englewood Flyover press release

Grand opening celebration about two weeks after it opened for business;
http://metrarail.com/metra/en/home/utility_landing/newsroom/newsroom/officials-celebrate-opening-of-englewood-flyover.html
Note the mention of 60 NS trains - very low in comparison with the 100 that Moorman's letter to the STB mentions west of Elkhart. I wonder how many of those 100 are routed to other railroads or the Englewood intermodal terminal so that they would not pass under the flyover?
Also note the reference to the Grand Crossing and 75th St. CREATE projects. Metra will press 75th St. but who will press Grand Crossing (it benefits Amtrak's IC trains but Amtrak appears to have been luke warm about progressing funding for this project)?
Anyway, the fact the fact that the flyover has opened is historic - this is the first publicly-funded grade seperation to benefit passenger trains that I am aware of.
Andy

To get from 100 to 60, do any go off on the EJ&E/CN (or some other belt railway) ?

joemvcnj Wrote:
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> To get from 100 to 60, do any go off on the
> EJ&E/CN (or some other belt railway) ?


Quite a few get off at CP509 to get on the BRC, others diverge at CP502 for the IHB or at CP482 for the Porter Branch to either the IHB or Kankakee, and there's at least one daily train for the CN at Kirk.

CSX trackage-rights trains off the PM at Porter presumably get onto the B&OCT around Pine Junction somewhere. Would any of the CP trackage-rights trains stay on NS west of CP509? I suspect most of those diverge at CP502 to use the Harbor.

There are also some trains that simply originate or terminate east of the Flyover, such as intermodals from several yards in the area and steel-industry traffic to/from the mills around East Chicago and Indiana Harbor. Sure, some of the steel goes west, but quite a bit of it goes to auto-industry consumers to the east, and coke or met coal for some of the mills comes from eastern mines.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/23/14 13:52 by toledopatch.

twropr Wrote:
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> Grand opening celebration about two weeks after it
> opened for business;
> http://metrarail.com/metra/en/home/utility_landing
> /newsroom/newsroom/officials-celebrate-opening-of-
> englewood-flyover.html
> Note the mention of 60 NS trains - very low in
> comparison with the 100 that Moorman's letter to
> the STB mentions west of Elkhart. I wonder how
> many of those 100 are routed to other railroads or
> the Englewood intermodal terminal so that they
> would not pass under the flyover?
> Also note the reference to the Grand Crossing and
> 75th St. CREATE projects. Metra will press 75th
> St. but who will press Grand Crossing (it benefits
> Amtrak's IC trains but Amtrak appears to have been
> luke warm about progressing funding for this
> project)?
> Anyway, the fact the fact that the flyover has
> opened is historic - this is the first
> publicly-funded grade seperation to benefit
> passenger trains that I am aware of.
> Andy



What True Number of trains on Chicago Line 60 or 100 trains?? I don't understand the 2 diffrent numbers. Which is true??

railcity Wrote:
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> twropr Wrote:
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> > Grand opening celebration about two weeks after
> it
> > opened for business;
> >
> http://metrarail.com/metra/en/home/utility_landing
>
> >
> /newsroom/newsroom/officials-celebrate-opening-of-
>
> > englewood-flyover.html
> > Note the mention of 60 NS trains - very low in
> > comparison with the 100 that Moorman's letter
> to
> > the STB mentions west of Elkhart. I wonder how
> > many of those 100 are routed to other railroads
> or
> > the Englewood intermodal terminal so that they
> > would not pass under the flyover?
> > Also note the reference to the Grand Crossing
> and
> > 75th St. CREATE projects. Metra will press
> 75th
> > St. but who will press Grand Crossing (it
> benefits
> > Amtrak's IC trains but Amtrak appears to have
> been
> > luke warm about progressing funding for this
> > project)?
> > Anyway, the fact the fact that the flyover has
> > opened is historic - this is the first
> > publicly-funded grade seperation to benefit
> > passenger trains that I am aware of.
> > Andy
>
>
>
> What True Number of trains on Chicago Line 60 or
> 100 trains?? I don't understand the 2 diffrent
> numbers. Which is true??

Go back and read my response. The Chicago Line is not an isolated piece of railroad. The train count varies, sometimes greatly, between one junction and the next.

toledopatch Wrote:
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> joemvcnj Wrote:
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> >>
>
> . Would any of the CP trackage-rights
> trains stay on NS west of CP509? I suspect most of
> those diverge at CP502 to use the Harbor.
>
Last I knew most of the CP trains went to CP 509 to access the BRC.
A few get on the IHB at CP502. There should be none west of CP509.
Park Manor intermodal yard is also east of Englewood.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/23/14 15:52 by Englewood.

twropr Wrote:
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this is the first
> publicly-funded grade seperation to benefit
> passenger trains that I am aware of.
> Andy


The grade separation was not built to benefit passenger trains.
It was built to benefit NS which is buying up much of the Detroit-like
depressed residential property in the area in order to extend the 55th St
yard and combine it with the 51st St. yard. That way they will be able to
double up 10,000' intermodal trains without having to contend with Metra
cross traffic.

Englewood Wrote:
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> The grade separation was not built to benefit
> passenger trains.
> It was built to benefit NS which is buying up much
> of the Detroit-like
> depressed residential property in the area in
> order to extend the 55th St
> yard and combine it with the 51st St. yard. That
> way they will be able to
> double up 10,000' intermodal trains without having
> to contend with Metra
> cross traffic.

Let's be fair. It benefits both. Sounds like a good deal to me.

This thread needs pictures. Not many photographers were on hand that day, so when I was asked to drive some people to the event, I grabbed my little camera. I tried to be as unobtrusive as possible, not wanting to get in the way of the dignitaries. But I did help myself to the complimentary coffee and muffins.

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Our crew needed a little prompting to pose for the camera. They gave away these souvenir medallions as well.

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