Passenger Trains > River Line speed limit?

Amtrak 284 is showing at 108.1 mph south of Albany.  What is the speed limit on that line?

Avoid confusion, call it the Hudson Line. River Line is the CSX one on the west bank.

108 MPH is under the 110 speed limit in places north of Poughkeepsie on the Hudson SubdIvision.  South of Poughkeepsie I believe MAS is 90 for Amtrak and 80 for MNCR trains.  Then it drops lower again south of Croton-Harmon.  Hudson Line is Metro North terminology.  I'm not sure that's what CSX calls it north of Poughkeepsie.  In NYC days it was the Hudson Division.  I believe it's now referred to as the Hudson Subdivision.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/29/15 10:58 by sums007.

joemvcnj Wrote:
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> Avoid confusion, call it the Hudson Line. River
> Line is the CSX one on the west bank.

Agreed. As soon as I read "River Line" I immediately thought of the River Subdivision between Kansas City and Jefferson City, MO and thought "that line doesn't have passenger service on it".

sums007 Wrote:
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> 108 MPH is under the 110 speed limit in places
> north of Poughkeepsie on the Hudson SubdIvision. 
> South of Poughkeepsie I believe MAS is 90 for
> Amtrak and 80 for MNCR trains.  Then it drops
> lower again south of Croton-Harmon.  Hudson Line
> is Metro North terminology.  I'm not sure that's
> what CSX calls it north of Poughkeepsie.  In NYC
> days it was the Hudson Division.  I believe it's
> now referred to as the Hudson Subdivision.

Conrail also called it Hudson Line north of Poughkeepsie. For CSX, it's probably either Hudson Subdivision or Hudson Line Subdivision.

When I saw "River Line" I thought of CSX's ex-CR West Shore, since that's what CR identified as the "River Line" in that part of its system (Conrail actually had two "River Line" mains, with the other being in Ohio). Don't know what CSX calls the freight line on the Hudson's west shore.
 

North of Poughkeepsie to CP169 in Hoffmans, NY is owned by Amtrak and is called the Hudson Line. Dispatcher goes by the name "Hudson Line Dispatcher".  Just like Conrail days.

John

Technically, isn't it a 99 year lease from CSX, though Amtrak totally controls it ?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/29/15 14:37 by joemvcnj.

joemvcnj Wrote:
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> Technically, isn't it a 99 year lease from CSX,
> though Amtrak totally controls it ?

Last I heard it was a 49 year lease with an extension option. The lease agreement is apparently with NYSDOT with it delegating the whole thing to Amtrak to manage.

The CSX Albany Division timetable included the "Hudson Subdivision" and the "River Subdivision".  Conversationally, most people today on the railroad still refer to the River Line and the Hudson Line.

Gordon

gbmott Wrote:
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> The CSX Albany Division timetable included the
> "Hudson Subdivision" and the "River
> Subdivision".  Conversationally, most people
> today on the railroad still refer to the River
> Line and the Hudson Line.

The inter-railroad division between Subdivisions and Lines and such is interesting.  Amtrak, Conrail, and Norfolk Southern still operate Lines and Branches and Secondaries.  Most other railroads use Subdivisions.

abyler Wrote:
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> The inter-railroad division between Subdivisions
> and Lines and such is interesting.  Amtrak,
> Conrail, and Norfolk Southern still operate Lines
> and Branches and Secondaries.  Most other
> railroads use Subdivisions.

Norfolk Southern has a lot of Districts, too. Actually, I'm surprised that, 16 years later, NS hasn't applied the District terminology to its part of the former Conrail. District on NS is analogous to subdivision elsewhere.

toledopatch Wrote:
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> abyler Wrote:
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> > The inter-railroad division between
> Subdivisions
> > and Lines and such is interesting.  Amtrak,
> > Conrail, and Norfolk Southern still operate
> Lines
> > and Branches and Secondaries.  Most other
> > railroads use Subdivisions.
>
> Norfolk Southern has a lot of Districts, too.
> Actually, I'm surprised that, 16 years later, NS
> hasn't applied the District terminology to its
> part of the former Conrail. District on NS is
> analogous to subdivision elsewhere.

For a while, at least, didn't districts also correspond to crew seniority districts on the old N&W?