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Passenger Trains > Plane crash on LIRR was due to air traffic controller screwupDate: 08/25/15 06:49 Plane crash on LIRR was due to air traffic controller screwup Author: GenePoon Pilot in Fatal Long Island Crash Was Directed to Nonexistent Runway, Report Says
ASSOCIATED PRESS AUG. 24, 2015 > MINEOLA, N.Y. — An air traffic controller directed a pilot having > trouble with his plane to a landing strip that no longer existed at a > closed Long Island airport before the aircraft crashed at a nearby > railroad crossing, killing the pilot, according to a preliminary > accident report released on Monday. > > The pilot, Joseph Milo, 59, of Westhampton Beach, died on Aug. 16 > when his single-engine aircraft hit the tracks in Hicksville. A > passenger was injured. > > The Federal Aviation Administration said the Hawker Beechcraft BE35 > had departed from Westhampton Beach, on eastern Long Island, and was > headed to Morristown, N.J. > > The plane crashed at a crossing between the Hicksville and Bethpage > stations of the Long Island Rail Road around 7:45 a.m. The crash > happened about eight nautical miles northwest of Republic Airport in > East Farmingdale, which was the closest airport at the time, > according to the report issued by the National Transportation Safety > Board. Continue reading the main story Related Coverage > > One Dead in Crash of Small Plane on Long IslandAUG. 16, 2015 > > The pilot told an air traffic controller he was “having a little bit > of a problem” and would have to “take it down,” the report says. > > The controller gave the pilot information about the locations of La > Guardia, Kennedy International and Republic airports as well as > Westchester County Airport to the north. The pilot indicated he would > try to get to Republic but was concerned he might not make it there. > > The report says the controller then provided information about a > “Bethpage strip,” the site of a former airport associated with the > defense contractor Northrop Grumman. The controller said that the > airport was closed, but that there was a runway there. > > “The next several transmissions between the controller and pilot > revealed that the pilot was unable to see the runway,” the report > says. “Radar and radio contact were eventually lost and emergency > responders were notified of the accident.” > > The investigation found that industrial buildings now occupy the > former runway. Pilot in Fatal Long Island Crash Was Directed to Nonexistent Runway Date: 08/25/15 07:33 Re: Plane crash on LIRR was due to air traffic controller screwup Author: joemvcnj Grumman's non-exsitant air strip sounds like a seat-of-the-pants suggestion. Republic is not that far, on the other side of Farmingdale.
It might have been better to land at a half-empty parking lot of a shopping mall in Hickville. Lucky his plane's fuel did not get ignited from LIRR's 3rd rail. Date: 08/25/15 07:47 Re: Plane crash on LIRR was due to air traffic controller screwup Author: Out_Of_Service nothing for nothing but if i'm a pilot and i plot a route i'm damn sure going to familiarize myself.with airports in my flight path especilly on such a short run as this pilot was taking ... not saying it's his fault but i always believe in having an emergency way out ... even when i'm driving i'm try to keep a keen awareness of who's around me in case i need to make an unplanned maneuver ...
with flying and having limited options when a plane is in trouble, i feel knowing where to go in emergency situations has to be a part of the flight plan ... i know pilots rely on ATCs to relay important emergency landing instructions but god forbid there's a problem and the communication with the tower is severed for whatever reason, plane radio failure or any other unforseen communication problems ... i never looked at a flight training manual but i would think somewhere in the manual it states pilots should familiarize themselves with airports in their flight path ... Date: 08/25/15 08:27 Re: Plane crash on LIRR was due to air traffic controller screwup Author: TAW Out_Of_Service Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > nothing for nothing but if i'm a pilot and i plot > a route i'm damn sure going to familiarize > myself.with airports in my flight path especilly > on such a short run as this pilot was taking ... > not saying it's his fault but i always believe in > having an emergency way out ... even when i'm > driving i'm try to keep a keen awareness of who's > around me in case i need to make an unplanned > maneuver ... > > with flying and having limited options when a > plane is in trouble, i feel knowing where to go in > emergency situations has to be a part of the > flight plan ... i know pilots rely on ATCs to > relay important emergency landing instructions but > god forbid there's a problem and the communication > with the tower is severed for whatever reason, > plane radio failure or any other unforseen > communication problems ... > > i never looked at a flight training manual but i > would think somewhere in the manual it states > pilots should familiarize themselves with airports > in their flight path ... ...and if you are doing it by studying the same sectional that the ATC is looking at? Could be that the maps are wrong. That sure happens with a lot of railroad maps I use, and the last marine navigation charts I used for a rail project in a port area. TAW Date: 08/25/15 11:58 Re: Plane crash on LIRR was due to air traffic controller screwup Author: Jishnu I suspect that GA pilots are seldom as meticulous as good commercial pilots when planning their mission. But if one really wants pretty upto date information,..... a commercial pilot who flies ultra-ling haul intercontinental flights over Russia told me, he checks with his google map earth view to make sure that the charts actually have corresponding features in satellite photos! I was surprised. He said he is not supposed to use maps other than official charts for doing the actual navigation related work, but no one ever said that you can't trust but verify from other sources. Anyway it was very revealing for me.
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