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Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 05/19/17 00:32 by darkcloud.

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https://www.rt.com/news/322054-tgv-train-derails-eckwersheim/

WOW !!! as if those poor people don't have enough to deal.with ... damn shame ...

If that was in the US, special interest groups would demand they have a top speed for the high speed trains of 25 mph, head shields on each car similar to a tank car, helmets for all passengers and seat belts. And to be extra safe, don't ever run them.

It derailed off into a canal...you forgot "no running near bodies of water.  See how that would have saved
lives at Big Bayou Canot?"



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/14/15 14:59 by GenePoon.

surely you jest ...

The Guardian reports 10 dead, 32 injured, five missing.


Updated

Supposed to have been 49 employees on board.

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Maybe two people lucked out?

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> Maybe two people lucked out?

I don't think any really knows for sure, yet.  It was a violent crash.

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True.  But th count of dead, injured, and missing comes to two short of 49.  maybe the two people went off to buy lottery tickets, given their luck.

GettyImages pix

Looks at first blush like France didn't learn anything from the RENFE, Metro North and Amtrak accidents on curves from excess speed.

Look at the European board for some more information.
The missing souls may still be in the canal.
In a grim way it could not have happened on a better day with the media focused on the IS attacks in Paris.

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> Looks at first blush like France didn't learn
> anything from the RENFE, Metro North and Amtrak
> accidents on curves from excess speed.


You really think the driver on the 1st test train on a new section of track, that won't officially go in service until April 2016, with dozens of technicians aboard to monitor the trip and test the track, was by himself in the cab and simply fell asleep or was playing with his phone?



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dcfbalcoS1 Wrote:
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> If that was in the US, special interest groups
> would demand they have a top speed for the high
> speed trains of 25 mph, head shields on each car
> similar to a tank car, helmets for all passengers
> and seat belts. And to be extra safe, don't ever
> run them.

Bit of an overreaction methinks.

dcfbalcoS1 Wrote:
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> If that was in the US, special interest groups
> would demand they have a top speed for the high
> speed trains of 25 mph, head shields on each car
> similar to a tank car, helmets for all passengers
> and seat belts. And to be extra safe, don't ever
> run them.


It's true, that's exactly what train travel in the US is like.

- L.F.

darkcloud Wrote:
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> > Looks at first blush like France didn't learn
> > anything from the RENFE, Metro North and Amtrak
> > accidents on curves from excess speed.
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> You really think the driver on the 1st test train
> on a new section of track, that won't officially
> go in service until April 2016, with dozens of
> technicians aboard to monitor the trip and test
> the track, was by himself in the cab and simply
> fell asleep or was playing with his phone?

The train is waaay off the track on the high side of a curve. There aren't too many reasons to cause that. One is excess speed on a curve.

Another is that there were buttercups on the top of the curve and the engine was named Tootle.

Your pick.

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abyler Wrote:
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> > > Looks at first blush like France didn't learn
> > > anything from the RENFE, Metro North and
> Amtrak
> > > accidents on curves from excess speed.
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> > You really think the driver on the 1st test
> train
> > on a new section of track, that won't
> officially
> > go in service until April 2016, with dozens of
> > technicians aboard to monitor the trip and test
> > the track, was by himself in the cab and simply
> > fell asleep or was playing with his phone?
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> The train is waaay off the track on the high side
> of a curve. There aren't too many reasons to
> cause that. One is excess speed on a curve.
>
> Another is that there were buttercups on the top
> of the curve and the engine was named Tootle.
>
> Your pick.
>
> Posted from iPhone


Don't play obtuse, it isn't just about excessive speed (great analysis, Sherlock), but why was the speed excessive.  You made a statement that they didn't learn from 3 specific incidents.  What exactly are you implying that they did not learn? 

Because the examples you cited were all cases of distracted operator failure: one distracted by his phone, the second fell asleep, the third hasn't been officially declared because of convenient (perhaps lawyer induced) amnesia, but most of us who have worked in the cab have an idea of what may have happened (may have lost sufficient awareness of his location/actions required after the distraction of the rock throwing at his train and other trains).  So it certainly comes across that you were implying something.  Need for more safeguards like PTC?  They already have a better version, though it is possible it wasn't engaged due to being a test run.  But being a test run (some claim the first one on that segment) with all the technicians aboard suggests it wasn't the usual routine situation where an operator might have been tempted to play with his phone or nod off.  When my road has maintenance or other types of specials we usually either have a supervisor in the cab or are in frequent radio contact with a supervisor either on board or working closely with us.

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Reports now that more than the official 49 staff and technicians were aboard, including unauthorized children and family members, death toll now eleven, 37 injured:

http://news.yahoo.com/fatal-french-high-speed-test-train-had-children-112513900.html

http://www.railjournal.com/index.php/europe/ten-dead-as-test-train-derails-on-tgv-est-phase-2.html

 



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/15/15 14:48 by darkcloud.

Those poor people on this test train.  My heart goes
out to all of their families and friends and co-workers.
What an awful thing!

We know WHAT happenedm, but we have no idea at
all about WHJY it happened.  We may never know,
if the engineer is among the deceased.