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Date: 06/10/03 21:10
History of Amtrak Diners?
Author: usa4624

Does anybody have, or know of, a website that lists the heritage of Amtrak\'s low-level dining cars? I would be curious to know which railroads they originally served.



Date: 06/10/03 23:29
Re: History of Amtrak Diners?
Author: Amtrak288

I have some info on 5 of the Heritage Diners, here\'s the direct link to that portion of my web site:

http://www.trainweb.org/amtrakpix/locoshots/heritagediner/heritagediner.html

Hope this helps...Geno



Date: 06/11/03 06:46
Re: History of Amtrak Diners?
Author: jack_deasy

The Amtrak Heritage diners now in service are all Budd products which came from CB&Q, NYC, NP, SR, and SP.

http://lib2.clark.cc.oh.us/amtrak/amtDINER8500.html



Date: 06/11/03 18:33
Re: History of Amtrak Diners?
Author: bnsfbob

My list is 20 years old when the heritage diner roster maxed-out at 31 cars. Some cars may now be off the roster:

8752 ex-L&N Budd 1949

8750 ex-A&WP Budd 1949 (now owned by Montana Rockies Rail Tours)

8505-09 ex-NP Budd 1957/58 (last diners built before Amtrak) Beautiful cars with NP monads in etched glass partitions.

8526-28 ex-SP Budd 1950

8511-8516, 8518-19, 8554, 8556 ex-NYC Budd 1948

8521,8523,8558,8752 ex-SOU Budd 1949

8502 ex-Q Budd 1952
8501,8503 ex-Q Budd 1956 (8503 wrk/sold)
8500,8504,8510 ex-Q Budd 1948

I think I got em all. Bob



Date: 06/11/03 21:10
Re: History of Amtrak Diners?
Author: czephyr17

<8505-09 ex-NP Budd 1957/58 (last diners built before Amtrak) Beautiful cars with NP monads in etched glass partitions.>

Beautiful indeed! Six cars were specifically built for the NP\'s North Coast Limited operating between Chicago and Seattle via St. Paul, MN, Bismark, ND, Billings and Missoula, MT and Spokane, WA (line of the Great Big Baked Potato). One of the six cars was actually owned by the CB&Q as part of the car mileage equalizing arrangement for the CB&Q handling of the NCL between St Paul and Chicago. Amtrak now operates five of the original six cars; the remaining car is part of BNSF\'s business car fleet.



Date: 06/11/03 21:25
Re: History of Amtrak Diners?
Author: px320

Amtrak 8500 was ex-SP 10204 PS 1949. Presently Fillmore & Western #10204 San Cayetano



Date: 06/11/03 22:04
Amtrak 8500
Author: bnsfbob

px320 wrote:

> Amtrak 8500 was ex-SP 10204 PS 1949. Presently Fillmore &
> Western #10204 San Cayetano

You are correct. After Amtrak sold this car series in the mid-seventies, 8500 was used a second time for the car I mentioned. Bob



Date: 06/12/03 10:41
Re: History of Amtrak Diners?
Author: Pullman

Okay. Dug into the library and pulled out, "From Zephyr to Amtrak" by David Randall.

According to him, The following dining cars were to be selected by Amtrak at start-up:

DINER:

5 cars 8000-8004 (SCL 5900-5903 - SAL 6100-6103; SCL 5904 FEC Ft Lauderdale)
6 cars 8005-8010 (SCL 5905-5908 - ACL New York, Boston, Newark, Baltimore; SCL 5909, 5910 - SAL 6104, 6105)
9 cars 8011-8019 (SCL 5911-5919 - SAL 6106-6114)
5 cars 8020-8024 (SCL 5920-5922 - FEC Ft. Dallas, Ft. Matanzas, Ft. San Marcos; SCL 5923, 5925 - ACL Tampa, Washington)
1 car 8025 (L&N 2790)
6 cars 8030-8035 (ATSF 1475-1854 - 4 of 10 cars; ATSF 1485, 1486)
8 cars 8036-8043 (AT&SF 1491-1498)
5 cars 8045-8049 (BN 458-463 - NP 458-463 5 of 6 cars)
3 cars 8050-8052 (BN 193-195 - CB&Q 193-195)
3 cars 8053-8055 (BN 200-202 - CB&Q 200-202)
5 cars 8060-8064 (SP 10210-10215 - 5 of 6 cars - Audubon diners built for Sunset Ltd.)
6 cars 8070-8075 (AT&SF 601-606)
11 cars 8080-8090 (SCL 5950-5958 - ACL Atlanta, Birmingham, La Granger, Greenville, Moultrie, Talledega, Plant City, Fitzgerald, Tarboro; SCL 5959-5960 - FEC Ft. Drum, Ft. Ribault)
1 car 8091 (SCL 5961 - ACL Naples)
1 car 8099 (N&W 493)
8 cars 8100-8107 (AT&SF 1550-1565 Counter cars)
9 cars 8110-8118 (AF&SF 1569-1677 Counter cars)
3 cars 8200-8202 (C&O 1925-1925 Dorm - C&O 2500, 2503,2506 - 5-Obs Lnge)

DINER LOUNGE:

3 cars 8300-8302 (C&O 1922-1922 - Obs)
1 car 8310 (N&W 1051 - WAB 51)
5 cars 8320-8324 (SP 10407-10411 - Pride of Texas Coffee Shop Lounges)

COUNTER LOUNGE:

6 cars 8350-8355 (BN 494-499 - NP 494-498 (Travelers Rest), CB&Q 499)
2 cars 8380-8381 (L&N 2800-2801 - B&M 70-71)
1 car 8382 (L&N 2802 - C&O 1700)

DINER COACH:

2 cars 8400-8401 (BN 1145,1146 - GN 1145,1146)
2 cars 8410-8411 (C&O 1610-1611 - C&O Coach 1610-1611)

HI-LEVEL DINER:

6 cars 9980-9985 (AT&SF 650-655)

Interesting to see what survives out of that...



Date: 06/12/03 18:02
Re: History of Amtrak Diners?
Author: SOU3164

Last time I was at the Grove, the A&WP car, the L&N car and the CNO&TP (Southern) car were being shipped to Alaska. Anyone know for sure that they made it?



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