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Date: 01/10/17 05:53
Runaway Train at Nogales Border Crossing
Author: rbmn5022

Some individuals released the brakes on a stopped northbound freight on the Mexican side of the border and it rolled through the border fence onto the US side. I can't link it here but there's an eerie video on Facebook of the train silently rolling down the tracks:

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2017/01/09/northbound-train-strikes-border-gate-nogales-monday-after-police-clear-rail-crossing-arizona/96361134/

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Date: 01/10/17 06:29
Re: Runaway Train at Nogales Border Crossing
Author: Lackawanna484

I wonder what the procedures are for tying down an unatttended train?



Date: 01/10/17 07:34
Re: Runaway Train at Nogales Border Crossing
Author: obsessedfoamer

Tie all the handbrakes on the locomotive consist and lock the doors on the controlling locomotive if equipped. Obviously this applies for engine consists only.



Date: 01/10/17 07:38
Re: Runaway Train at Nogales Border Crossing
Author: BAB

Short of welding the wheels to the rails nothing can stop someone from turning it loose. Handbrakes can be taken off of the cars, air can be bled off.



Date: 01/10/17 07:45
Re: Runaway Train at Nogales Border Crossing
Author: Hookdragkick

Lackawanna484 Wrote:
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> I wonder what the procedures are for tying down an
> unatttended train?

Tie handbrakes--release airbrakes and check. Lock controlling cab. Chuck a couple deuces at train as you drive off in taxi.

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Date: 01/10/17 08:15
Re: Runaway Train at Nogales Border Crossing
Author: Chico43

Lackawanna484 Wrote:
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> I wonder what the procedures are for tying down an
> unatttended train?

In Mexico? Your guess is as good as anybody's.



Date: 01/10/17 08:19
Re: Runaway Train at Nogales Border Crossing
Author: upengr21

I see a new rule coming. Tie every brake on dead trains.



Date: 01/10/17 08:22
Re: Runaway Train at Nogales Border Crossing
Author: 1019X

Were Kirk Douglas and Burt Lancaster on board?



Date: 01/10/17 08:23
Re: Runaway Train at Nogales Border Crossing
Author: SP4360

That'll just delay the idiots turning it loose by 30 minutes.

upengr21 Wrote:
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> I see a new rule coming. Tie every brake on dead
> trains.



Date: 01/10/17 08:39
Re: Runaway Train at Nogales Border Crossing
Author: ButteStBrakeman

SP4360 Wrote:
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> That'll just delay the idiots turning it loose by
> 30 minutes.
>
> upengr21 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I see a new rule coming. Tie every brake on
> dead
> > trains.

I think what upengr21 is referring to is what rash decision the carrier's will come to.



Date: 01/10/17 09:26
Re: Runaway Train at Nogales Border Crossing
Author: d500

Send the repair bill to Mexico... another wall they can pay for! 



Date: 01/10/17 10:31
Re: Runaway Train at Nogales Border Crossing
Author: CA_Sou_MA_Agent

Chico43 Wrote:
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> In Mexico? Your guess is as good as anybody's.


Best post of the day!  It made me laugh out loud!  



Date: 01/10/17 10:39
Re: Runaway Train at Nogales Border Crossing
Author: spnudge

I thought there were split point derails on both tracks because of the grade. Have to wait and see.

Nudge



Date: 01/10/17 11:06
Re: Runaway Train at Nogales Border Crossing
Author: SP4360

Yeah, I know what he was reffering to, just being funny because that is just the kind of rule that will come out of this. No common sense when it comes to rule making, just over reaction.

SLOCONDR Wrote:
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> SP4360 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That'll just delay the idiots turning it loose
> by
> > 30 minutes.
> >
> > upengr21 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I see a new rule coming. Tie every brake on
> > dead
> > > trains.
>
> I think what upengr21 is referring to is what rash
> decision the carrier's will come to.



Date: 01/10/17 11:41
Re: Runaway Train at Nogales Border Crossing
Author: mundo

I am sure this was done by protesters in Mexico on the new high prices of gas.  No matter how a train is tied down, protesters could have taken care of that, just from railroaders that are among the protesters.

They have stopped rail at Cd Juarez & south, and several spots along the rail routes in the State of Chihuahua.  CHP passenger trains have not operated for a good week now through the Copper Canyon.



Date: 01/10/17 11:44
Re: Runaway Train at Nogales Border Crossing
Author: emd_mrs1

It was actually about 6 locomotives and 2 boxcars. There was also vandalism to the headlights and ditchlights.

One video shows the units rolling through a barricade made of stones piled on the tracks.

A second one shows the units passing then the damage to the gate.

Michael



Date: 01/10/17 13:53
Re: Runaway Train at Nogales Border Crossing
Author: CA_Sou_MA_Agent

Now I know why Missouri Pacific never used to allow their locomotives into Mexico.  The interchanges were handed off mid-way on the bridge over the Rio Grande.  

Maybe that should be an operating practice that U.P. might want to adopt.  

 



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/17 13:56 by CA_Sou_MA_Agent.



Date: 01/10/17 14:27
Re: Runaway Train at Nogales Border Crossing
Author: mapboy

spnudge Wrote:
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> I thought there were split point derails on both
> tracks because of the grade. Have to wait and
> see.
>
> Nudge

No split point derails showing on the 2009 track chart on the UP side, unless they were added since.  It shows a 1.0% grade on the UP side of the border (UP starts MP 65.6).  It's downhill pretty much all the way to Tucson from Nogales, good that it was quickly stopped.  UP should give the U.S. Customs Border Patrol officer that stopped the train a medal!  After 10 miles of 1% (MP 56), it drops to mostly 0.5% to MP 23, then 0.4%.  An 8-degree curve at MP 64.3 or 6-degree curves at MP 63.7 or MP 62.8 might have derailed a runaway. Duffy St. where SP's Cajon Pass potash runaway derailed is a 4-degree curve, but it was going very fast there.

mapboy



Date: 01/11/17 00:56
Re: Runaway Train at Nogales Border Crossing
Author: Hookdragkick

"I am free, Rankin. I am free".

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