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Date: 02/03/19 14:22
half manifest/half stacks
Author: goneon66

i saw an e/b on the bnsf's seligman sub that was half manifest and half stacks (domestic i think?).  anybody know if this is going to be done on a regular basis?

66



Date: 02/03/19 14:51
Re: half manifest/half stacks
Author: RailFanAZ

Interesting 66, we have been seeing that a lot on the UP Gila Sub since they started PSR.  Sometimes, they even have Autoracks mixed in as well.


goneon66 Wrote:
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> i saw an e/b on the bnsf's seligman sub that was
> half manifest and half stacks (domestic i
> think?).  anybody know if this is going to be
> done on a regular basis?
>
> 66

Christina
RailFanning UP & BNSF, AZ
RailFanAZ.com



Date: 02/03/19 15:05
Re: half manifest/half stacks
Author: dcfbalcoS1

Many trains are becoming an everything, pile it on, medium speed, underpowered, mainline locals. Crews can take an hour to two hours to make a simple set/out or pickup. Possibly some of these newer guys have not had much experience doing that. Saw 2 or 3 in the last couple of weeks standing there looking lost, papers in hand and turned out to be a straight set/out of what he had behind the power already on the ladder track. Had plenty of open track to set them in. I don't think anyone is concerned about hours ticking by in these moves. They will recrew down the line. It is no doubt the new math with excuses.



Date: 02/03/19 15:41
Re: half manifest/half stacks
Author: goneon66

here is a poor video of the the train.  i wasn't going to film it until i realized it was half manifest/half stacks.......

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Date: 02/03/19 19:26
Re: half manifest/half stacks
Author: czephyr17

Based on info from another site, it is Q-LACPEA1 (LA to Houston).  



Date: 02/03/19 19:35
Re: half manifest/half stacks
Author: jointauthority

I’m sure that’s thanks to the idiots they’ve been hiring on lately, almost all the trainees I’ve run into have absolutely no business on the railroad.

Add to that the relaxing of the training program and I think we’re in for a real big shitstorm especially when these idiots make their way to the right side of the cab.

dcfbalcoS1 Wrote:
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> Many trains are becoming an everything, pile it
> on, medium speed, underpowered, mainline locals.
> Crews can take an hour to two hours to make a
> simple set/out or pickup. Possibly some of these
> newer guys have not had much experience doing
> that. Saw 2 or 3 in the last couple of weeks
> standing there looking lost, papers in hand and
> turned out to be a straight set/out of what he had
> behind the power already on the ladder track. Had
> plenty of open track to set them in. I don't think
> anyone is concerned about hours ticking by in
> these moves. They will recrew down the line. It is
> no doubt the new math with excuses.

Posted from iPhone



Date: 02/04/19 00:19
Re: half manifest/half stacks
Author: CaliforniaSteam

jointauthority Wrote:
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> I’m sure that’s thanks to the idiots they’ve
> been hiring on lately, almost all the trainees
> I’ve run into have absolutely no business on the
> railroad.
>
> Add to that the relaxing of the training program
> and I think we’re in for a real big shitstorm
> especially when these idiots make their way to the
> right side of the cab.

Thats the railroad way (Sink or swim) only the strong will survive....
As far as the mixed trains UP's line of thinking with PSR if a lower priority stack train has the capacity for cars to be added then do it. Auto racks have been common on some intermodel trains over the years. Autos also don't slow the train down at all they are 70MPH cars.

CS



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/04/19 01:09 by CaliforniaSteam.



Date: 02/04/19 07:40
Re: half manifest/half stacks
Author: jointauthority

You say that without having to work with them.

rantoul Wrote:
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> People seeking a job, applying and getting hired
> are not idiots.

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Date: 02/04/19 07:55
Re: half manifest/half stacks
Author: skinem

jointauthority Wrote:
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> You say that without having to work with them.
>
> rantoul Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > People seeking a job, applying and getting
> hired
> > are not idiots.
>
> Posted from iPhone
Well, they can't ALL be like you, now...can they? 



Date: 02/04/19 08:07
Re: half manifest/half stacks
Author: jointauthority

The world would be a better place if we all were more like me, but sadly that just isn’t the reality we live in now is it?

Seriously though these guys are terrible and just about everyone out here agrees with me.

skinem Wrote:
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> jointauthority Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You say that without having to work with them.
> >
> > rantoul Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > People seeking a job, applying and getting
> > hired
> > > are not idiots.
> >
> > Posted from iPhone
> Well, they can't ALL be like you, now...can
> they? 



Date: 02/04/19 08:33
Re: half manifest/half stacks
Author: TAW

jointauthority Wrote:
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> I’m sure that’s thanks to the idiots they’ve
> been hiring on lately, almost all the trainees
> I’ve run into have absolutely no business on the
> railroad.
>
> Add to that the relaxing of the training program
> and I think we’re in for a real big shitstorm
> especially when these idiots make their way to the
> right side of the cab.

Maybe some day you, like I, will be told by the experts that what you spent decades doing can't be done.

TAW



Date: 02/04/19 17:38
Re: half manifest/half stacks
Author: Hookdragkick

Okay, I wasn't tripping out yesterday! I passed this train last night and glanced at some manifest, swearing I seen some coil cars before a bunch if stacks went by, then I paid a little more attention. I was convinced I imagined the whole thing. 



Date: 02/04/19 21:34
Re: half manifest/half stacks
Author: Bandito

goneon66 Wrote:
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> here is a poor video of the the train.  i wasn't
> going to film it until i realized it was half
> manifest/half stacks.......
>
> 66

Although the technical quality of the video is pretty jumpy, it's a good and instructive video for other reasons. First is that by catching the train at roughly a 90 degree angle, you can see the huge horizontal gaps between containers, even in the cases of 3 x 53ft well cars fully loaded with 53s. For promotional photos, railroads always like to use pics taken at very accute angles trackside, as you can't see the gaps between the wells and cars. It looks better, more aerodynamic, and efficient. Like a wall of containers.

In reality, while doublestacked containers make the most use of height, they make less use of the available width, and lengthwise there are significant gaps between the wells of an articulated car, and even move between cars. And in this case there was shit-poor slot utilization (even bare wells) and too many international 40s and 20s loaded in 53ft wells.
>  



Date: 02/05/19 07:45
Re: half manifest/half stacks
Author: willieb007

That's a ridiculous assumption but I would expect nothing less from you.



Date: 02/05/19 12:05
Re: half manifest/half stacks
Author: jointauthority

Thanks!

willieb007 Wrote:
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> That's a ridiculous assumption but I would expect
> nothing less from you.

Posted from iPhone



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