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Western Railroad Discussion > article: record # of cargo ships waiting off l.a./l.b. ports.....Date: 09/14/21 16:24 article: record # of cargo ships waiting off l.a./l.b. ports..... Author: goneon66 Date: 09/14/21 17:21 Re: article: record # of cargo ships waiting off l.a./l.b. ports. Author: stevelv I have some various questions after reading this thread and report for those in the know.
1. Does the congestion of the LA area ports help the ports that are looking to expand such as Prince Rupert? I believe there also are a few ports in the Northwest US that are looking to expand but they facing more opposition from Nimby's, the green crowd etc...? 2. Am I correct that the extra costs of shipping will trickle down to the Consumer (us)? I figure if you have a ship sitting off shore waiting to dock for numerous days you are paying the crews and also for the fuel to keep the A/C, heat or other basic ship functions going. 3. Do any railroad workers know how UP and BNSF are handling the backlog? My naive thinking is they have enough baretables and stored serviceable power that they can handle it. Am I even in the ballpark with these thoughts? I know, a few rambling questions but I also know there are a lot of people on here connected to these businesses and I'm interested in the stuff. Any insight is appreciated. Thanks. Steve B. Date: 09/14/21 17:28 Re: article: record # of cargo ships waiting off l.a./l.b. ports. Author: goneon66 in the last 6 months, i have noticed a huge increase in w/b baretables either in solid trains or on the end of intermodal trains.
it also seems like i have seen LESS huge e/b stack trains too. just my observations out here on the bnsf's seligman sub................ 66 Date: 09/14/21 17:43 Re: article: record # of cargo ships waiting off l.a./l.b. ports. Author: Lkirts Not so much as the cars/engines but the yards, chassis and dray drivers. Some drivers were going to van, pays more.
Date: 09/14/21 17:59 Re: article: record # of cargo ships waiting off l.a./l.b. ports. Author: radar It's not just L.A., it's the all of the container ports on the west coast. You can't move containers if you don't have truck drivers.
Date: 09/14/21 18:28 Re: article: record # of cargo ships waiting off l.a./l.b. ports. Author: callum_out Sooner or later the Mexcian government is going to discover Ensenada. As I've said before a much better investment that their tourist train
thru the jungles of the Yucatan. Out Date: 09/14/21 19:21 Re: article: record # of cargo ships waiting off l.a./l.b. ports. Author: Joe90 callum_out Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Sooner or later the Mexcian government is going to > discover Ensenada. As I've said before a much > better investment that their tourist train > thru the jungles of the Yucatan. > > Out Have you ever been to Ensenada? It has one berth! It also has a very narrow channel that can just about take vessel 330x43 metres and be just about turned in the basin. It also has no rail connection.Photo is Ensenadas's one and only container berth. The vessel is the Andronikos 93702 gross tons, 117,699 deadweight 300X48 metres . Currently in Port at Ensenada is the Seamax Westport ex YM Ultimate 90389 gross tons 335X43 metres.Second vessel is the CSCL Asia turning. Do some real research. Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 09/14/21 21:20 by Joe90.   Date: 09/14/21 19:29 Re: article: record # of cargo ships waiting off l.a./l.b. ports. Author: jst3751 The most I have ever seen.
Green are container ships. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/14/21 19:32 by jst3751.  Date: 09/14/21 19:32 Re: article: record # of cargo ships waiting off l.a./l.b. ports. Author: jst3751 Joe90 Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > callum_out Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Sooner or later the Mexcian government is going > to > > discover Ensenada. As I've said before a much > > better investment that their tourist train > > thru the jungles of the Yucatan. > > > > Out > Have you ever been to Ensenada? It has one berth! > It also has a very narrow chaanel that can just > about take vessel 330x43 metres and be just about > turned in the basin. It also has no rail > connection.Do some real research. They are also slow. About 100 seconds between lifts on/off the ships. There is also not a lot more dock space available. Date: 09/14/21 19:33 Re: article: record # of cargo ships waiting off l.a./l.b. ports. Author: goneon66 thanks for the screen shot. what a mess............
66 Date: 09/14/21 19:42 Re: article: record # of cargo ships waiting off l.a./l.b. ports. Author: Joe90 jst3751 Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > The most I have ever seen. > > Green are container ships. Not all the green ships are container vessels , some will be bulk carriers. Date: 09/14/21 19:59 Re: article: record # of cargo ships waiting off l.a./l.b. ports. Author: joemagruder Over the years there have been proposals to build a major container port at Ensenada, including rail access from the east. I don't know where those plans are now.
Date: 09/14/21 20:09 Re: article: record # of cargo ships waiting off l.a./l.b. ports. Author: coach So, the PORT OF OAKLAND did major dredging to handle the giant ships. It installed lots of new, tall cranes. The UP dug a trench in Reno, NV to handle "lots of new container traffic." Well, here it is--major congestion. Oakland could use all the business it can get. The UP has plenty of capacity over Donner and thru Reno (mostly double-track, if the Corridor Manager knows how to use 2 tracks aggresssively...).
Send the ships to Oakland. UP has a big yard. Lots of cranes. Send them all. Date: 09/14/21 20:40 Re: article: record # of cargo ships waiting off l.a./l.b. ports. Author: PHall coach Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > So, the PORT OF OAKLAND did major dredging to > handle the giant ships. It installed lots of > new, tall cranes. The UP dug a trench in Reno, > NV to handle "lots of new container traffic." > Well, here it is--major congestion. Oakland > could use all the business it can get. The UP > has plenty of capacity over Donner and thru Reno > (mostly double-track, if the Corridor Manager > knows how to use 2 tracks aggresssively...). > > Send the ships to Oakland. UP has a big yard. > Lots of cranes. Send them all. But do you have dreyage drivers? That's the sticking point. Date: 09/14/21 22:23 Re: article: record # of cargo ships waiting off l.a./l.b. ports. Author: JDLX A quick Google search for Port of Oakland congestion turned up several stories, some from the Port itself, dated from June into July of this year of the growing backlog of ships waiting to be unloaded there. No specific reasons given beyond the crush of arriving containers, larger size of container ships requiring more time to unload, general employee shortages of all types, two of the nine berths unavailable for a while this spring and early summer, and just physical constraints of getting containers moved through the system. And yes, costs of moving containers have skyrocketed, which is raising prices at the consumer level, but at the same time the uncertain delivery schedules are playing havoc with supply chains and retail stock, also driving up prices. A lot of retail analysts are recommending people do most to all of their holiday shopping, well, now, simply because there is no guarantee or promise that overwhelmed delivery systems will consistently get products onto store shelves in what’s left of this year.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/07/25/as-cargo-waits-and-costs-climb-port-of-oakland-seeks-shipping-solutions/ https://www.portofoakland.com/press-releases/port-of-oakland-cargo-up/ Jeff Moore Elko, NV Posted from iPhone Date: 09/14/21 23:25 Re: article: record # of cargo ships waiting off l.a./l.b. ports. Author: SP8100 Stevelv,
Here are some recent observations regarding the shipping world. 1.) The week before Labor day weekend, I observed up to 6 baretables heading northbound thru Cheney, Washington on their way to interchange with the CP at Eastport, ID. I do not know where they went from there, but a good guess is that they went to Vancouver, BC or interchanged further to CN, then CN took them to Prince Rupert, BC. 2.) Last Saturday evening, I witnessed a solid train with 53' Schneider containers heading eastbound thru Spokane, Washington destined for Chicago, IL. (ZPTLCHC) symbol was called out on the radio. Sincerely, SP8100 stevelv Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have some various questions after reading this > thread and report for those in the know. > > 1. Does the congestion of the LA area ports help > the ports that are looking to expand such as > Prince Rupert? > I believe there also are a few ports in the > Northwest US that are looking to expand but they > facing more opposition from Nimby's, the green > crowd etc...? > > 2. Am I correct that the extra costs of shipping > will trickle down to the Consumer (us)? I figure > if you have a ship sitting off shore waiting to > dock for numerous days you are paying the crews > and also for the fuel to keep the A/C, heat or > other basic ship functions going. > > 3. Do any railroad workers know how UP and BNSF > are handling the backlog? My naive thinking is > they have enough baretables and stored serviceable > power that they can handle it. Am I even in the > ballpark with these thoughts? > > I know, a few rambling questions but I also know > there are a lot of people on here connected to > these businesses and I'm interested in the stuff. > Any insight is appreciated. Thanks. > > Steve B. Date: 09/14/21 23:25 Re: article: record # of cargo ships waiting off l.a./l.b. ports. Author: SOO6617 I am surprised Dr. Leachman hasn't commented yet. Most of the largest retailers have built their logistics chains around the idea of receiving the maritime containers at either the Port of LA or Long Beach moving them to large warehouses in the Inland Empire, sorting the contents for each of their big regional distribution hubs and then loading big domestic 53' containers for each hub. To use any other port means that they would have to send full containers from overseas of each product to each regional hub and each regional hub would need to have much greater inventory, even if all they needed was a single pallet load. Also the Greater LA area is the largest market on the West Coast and a significant portion of each load will end up there.
Date: 09/15/21 01:39 Re: article: record # of cargo ships waiting off l.a./l.b. ports. Author: Greyhounds As to #2, Yes.
It's an economic truism that the end user covers all costs. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/15/21 01:42 by Greyhounds. Date: 09/15/21 05:57 Re: article: record # of cargo ships waiting off l.a./l.b. ports. Author: Lackawanna484 The Wall Street Journal has been covering this situation for several months. Many good points above, there are a few more.
Persistent problems with keeping a full shift of dock workers. Drayage off the docks has been slow. Some of the problem is the local driver shortage, some is TSA and Customs clearance. The railroads don't call as frequently as they should, so loads build up. Record volume from newer and bigger ships. Lots of contributions to the mess. Posted from Android Date: 09/15/21 07:02 Re: article: record # of cargo ships waiting off l.a./l.b. ports. Author: PasadenaSub Here's a not so crisp night photo taken out the window of my Alaska Airlines flight from SFO to SNA (Orange County) over this past Labor Day weekend showing some of the ships anchored off of San Pedro/Long Beach.
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