Western Railroad Discussion > Colorado NIMBYs and Uinta Basin Railway

Somebody please tell these folks that the Moffat route already has oil trains passing through it.

https://coloradosun.com/2022/01/10/uinta-basin-railway-crude-oil-colorado-trains/

These liberal state newspapers have a huge problem getting facts straight:   http://www.mikesmithenterprisesblog.com/2022/01/weather-business-economists-and-medias.html   

There is a sizable crowd of extremist environmentalists in Colorado that thoroughly despises any kind of natural resource use and development (even though many of them are wealthy and are, themselves, big resource consumers) who believe that using the legal system  to destroy the state's railroad infrastructure is a sure way to ensure the stoppage of any such development--even in neighboring states.  It's NIMBY-ism on steroids and it is already doing severe damge to the rural Colorado economy.  Most of these extremists do not rely on the economy of rural Colorado for anything and they don't care who they hurt or how much economic damage they cause to get their way.

Im left of center...not a fan of the "wild west" mentality at all, but i dont support extremists on either side.

Unfortunately, extremism on both sides seems to be all the rage...IDK why.  

pdt Wrote:
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> Im left of center...not a fan of the "wild west"
> mentality at all, but i dont support extremists on
> either side.
>
> Unfortunately, extremism on both sides seems to be
> all the rage...IDK why.


You obviously didn't get the memo. It's not cool to be a moderate anymore.  

Speaking of missed memos, the public comment period on the project has long passed and some of the similar comments
made during the actual period were bordering dillusional.

Out 

But these wealthy NIMBYs are carbon neutral...  It doesn't mean they stop driving their diesel pickups and their SUVs, it just means they pay for carbon credits, having someone else offset their own use with "green" energy!  

Our city just put in a plant to refine waste methane at the sewage plant and sell it as natural gas.  The refining process isn't efficient and produces gas at greater cost than natural wells, but these folks and their "green" companies purchase the gas as carbon credits- making the city several million per year.  What a scam.

So before one gets all fired up the question really is, "what and who is the Colorado Sun"?
Tom Klinger

Even after this line is completed and the crude trains start rolling, who’s to say UP even runs these trains over the Moffat Route. They could just as easily takes these trains on to the Overland Route. It’s obvious that UP really doesn’t care much for the ex-Rio Grande routes they inherited.

MSE Wrote:
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> These liberal state newspapers have a huge problem
> getting facts straight:
>   http://www.mikesmithenterprisesblog.com/2022/0
> 1/weather-business-economists-and-medias.html   


A blog from a climate change denying boomer weatherman criticizing media bias is peak 2022.

CFI_85 Wrote:
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> Even after this line is completed and the crude
> trains start rolling, who’s to say UP even runs
> these trains over the Moffat Route. They could
> just as easily takes these trains on to the
> Overland Route. It’s obvious that UP really
> doesn’t care much for the ex-Rio Grande routes
> they inherited.

The market for this product is the Gulf Coast refineries.  

The refineries in Salt Lake City also take a good share of it. Prior to the advent of rail hauled Uinta Basin crude virtually all of the basin's waxy oil went to Salt Lake City by truck. Most of it still does. A smaller amount went to SLC by way of the Chevron pipeline from the Rangely Field in Colorado  to Salt Lake. Uinta Basin crude oil has a pour point of around 105 degrees. If it cools below that temp it sets up like candle wax. Crude is heated at basin wellsites and loaded hot into insulated tanker trucks for the 150 mile trip over the mountains to Salt Lake City where it arrives still in a liquid state. Some of this oil is also shipped out of a couple of crude oil terminals by rail in the Price, Utah area to refineries in the midwast and Gulf Coast. The tank cars are equipped with internal steam coils to heat the wax back to liquid state to allow unloading. When, and if, the proposed Uinta Basin Railway is built, it will allow for the drilling of many additional wells to accomodate the much better access to the national market.

Dick Ebright
Rochester, MN
Formerly of Roosevelt, UT



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/13/22 18:59 by 2ebright.