Western Railroad Discussion > Anyone know what happened East of Needles

I'm hearing that something is on the ground east of Needles near Topock.  Holding #3 at Winslow, and #4 holding at San Bernardino.  Anyone know what happened?

Steve White
Carthage, TX

There has been tornado warnings earlier and severe winds.  Per the RadioChatter on the Kingman Camera.  Sounds like a Derailment and took out both mainlines.

Christi

SouthWest RailCams
CA, NM, CO, TX, AZ
https://SouthWestRailCams.com

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/train-reportedly-carrying-hazardous-materials-derails-in-mohave-county-investigation-underway

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The radiofeed had some archives when it happend.  Our site is just on the other side of the mountain where it happened.

https://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/39346

Christi

SouthWest RailCams
CA, NM, CO, TX, AZ
https://SouthWestRailCams.com

Reports are coming in of a train losing contact with the rails.

Posted from iPhone

See photo

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Last westbound mixed past the Kingman Railcam was the 3776 at 17:34, a 7x0 with just enough tank cars to qualify. 
—Mac

On Winslow East Camera, BNSF is bringing in a Locomotive and connecting to the Rear of #3 and taking back East.

Christi

SouthWest RailCams
CA, NM, CO, TX, AZ
https://SouthWestRailCams.com

Wasn't that one

MacBeau Wrote:
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> Last westbound mixed past the Kingman Railcam was
> the 3776 at 17:34, a 7x0 with just enough tank
> cars to qualify. 
> —Mac

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The "Hazardous material" turned out to be corn syrup, which is certainly fattening if not good for you! 

As of 0321 3/16/21, no trains have passed the Kingman cam since a wb stack train at 2047 3/15/23. And Amtrak terminated #3 at Winslow and #4 at San Bernadino (I think - it's hard to determine from Amtrak Service Alerts commentary)

https://www.devdiscourse.com/article/business/2381495-bnsf-says-train-carrying-corn-syrup-derailed-in-arizona

From BNSF website:

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It was the Mohave County Sheriff Department that said it was "Hazardous Materials" and of course the news media ran with it.
How they made that determination is a really good question since they don't have access to the waybills or any other shipping papers.

Its a tank car, it has to be filled with something hazardous!
—Michael

PHall Wrote:
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> It was the Mohave County Sheriff Department that
> said it was "Hazardous Materials" and of course
> the news media ran with it.
> How they made that determination is a really good
> question since they don't have access to the
> waybills or any other shipping papers.

Well, if it was a tank car derailed, it must be hazardous, right?
In all fairness, consuming excessive amounts of corn syrup can be hazardous to your health.

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P Wrote:
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> PHall Wrote:
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> > It was the Mohave County Sheriff Department
> that
> > said it was "Hazardous Materials" and of course
> > the news media ran with it.
> > How they made that determination is a really
> good
> > question since they don't have access to the
> > waybills or any other shipping papers.
>
> Well, if it was a tank car derailed, it must be
> hazardous, right?
> In all fairness, consuming excessive amounts of
> corn syrup can be hazardous to your health.

That's exactly how the media works. Tank car = hazardous.

PHall Wrote:
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> It was the Mohave County Sheriff Department that
> said it was "Hazardous Materials" and of course
> the news media ran with it.
> How they made that determination is a really good
> question since they don't have access to the
> waybills or any other shipping papers.

The crew should have Airdropped a wheel to the first responders. We used to have to carry two paper wheels and were supposed to give them a copy but now we hope they can get something airdropped to them.

Must be a good-sized wreck - from the BNSF Service Advisories webste:

The estimated time for opening main track two is Friday, March 17th, 2023 at 1:30 p.m. CDT. The estimated time for opening main track one is Saturday, March 18th, 2023 at 3:30 a.m. CDT.

As mentioned already, the there are no hazardous material involved. Nevertheless national media reports that fact then goes on to mention several other recent derailments.

PCBill



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/16/23 09:02 by bmarti7.

It's good to have a wheeler, i remember half of Goleta being evacuated for a leaking SP tank car, brown ooze
had to be incredibly dangerous. Turned out to be molasses.

Out 

So, the train was not carrying any hazardous materials at all?  Most reports I have seen say that a train carrying hazardous materials has derailed- not that cars carrying hazardous materials have derailed, leaked etc.

as for the media, they are going to continue to milk their story of hazardous trains as long as they can.

PHall Wrote:
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> It was the Mohave County Sheriff Department that
> said it was "Hazardous Materials" and of course
> the news media ran with it.

Why wouldn't the media report what was released by the authorities in charge of securing the scene?

> How they made that determination is a really good
> question since they don't have access to the
> waybills or any other shipping papers.

Perhaps placards on the car, as required by the FRA.