Steam & Excursion > The saga of SP 982 continues......

The saga for the 2-10-2 continues. The now tenderless cosmetically restored locomotive is now officially a nomad. The museum in which she was going to be housed has been "put on hold", and the locomotive offered to the Gulf Coast Chapter NRHS, which is in its own throes of moving to a new location northwest of Houston, Texas, near Tomball. With most of its equipment still stored near downtown Houston, we'll have to see how this turns out. For now from what I know, the locomotive is still safe, and cocooned in a protective shroud. Efforts are underway to determine where exactly the locomotive will end up.
 

Txhighballer Wrote:
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> The saga for the 2-10-2 continues. The now
> tenderless cosmetically restored locomotive is now
> officially a nomad. The museum in which she was
> going to be housed has been "put on hold", and the
> locomotive offered to the Gulf Coast Chapter NRHS,
> which is in its own throes of moving to a new
> location northwest of Houston, Texas, near
> Tomball. With most of its equipment still stored
> near downtown Houston, we'll have to see how this
> turns out. For now from what I know, the
> locomotive is still safe, and cocooned in a
> protective shroud. Efforts are underway to
> determine where exactly the locomotive will end
> up.

Anybody try contacting Jerry Jacobson?  

The long term goal is to keep her here and properly evaluate her for return to operation. There is going to be a meeting in the next couple of weeks to determine the right options.

Txhighballer Wrote:
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> The long term goal is to keep her here and
> properly evaluate her for return to operation.
> There is going to be a meeting in the next couple
> of weeks to determine the right options.

Surely you jest. Return to operation, WHERE?  Plus, what railroad would allow a low drivered 2-10-2 on their line, unless it was the Texas State Railroad, for hauling fracking sand?

Actually, there are several places the locomotive could run quite easily. Ironically, the Texas State Railroad is NOT one of them, due to the difficulty in turning her there. In fact, 63 inch drivers are not an impediment. See 4501, 610.....



HotWater Wrote:
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> Txhighballer Wrote:
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> > The long term goal is to keep her here and
> > properly evaluate her for return to operation.
> > There is going to be a meeting in the next
> couple
> > of weeks to determine the right options.
>
> Surely you jest. Return to operation, WHERE?
>  Plus, what railroad would allow a low drivered
> 2-10-2 on their line, unless it was the Texas
> State Railroad, for hauling fracking sand?

Txhighballer Wrote:
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> Actually, there are several places the locomotive
> could run quite easily. Ironically, the Texas
> State Railroad is NOT one of them, due to the
> difficulty in turning her there. In fact, 63 inch
> drivers are not an impediment. See 4501, 610.....

Please don't try to compare the 4501 and 630, both 4 coupled driver sets, with the likes of T&P 610, which hasn't operated on the Southern in many years, and your SP 2-10-2. There is no comparison.

Not trying to make a comparison, just a statement of fact. The 982 is not a 4-8-4, nor is she trying to be. Why don't you check out the Southern Pacific 's F1's dimensions, the modifications made to them. Then come back to me. The places where I know she can run comfortably are in the 50-60 MPH range, plenty fast enough for where she can run, and most of the time, she would be in the 40's. There are videos out there of them running that fast, with tonnage.


HotWater Wrote:
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> Txhighballer Wrote:
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> > Actually, there are several places the
> locomotive
> > could run quite easily. Ironically, the Texas
> > State Railroad is NOT one of them, due to the
> > difficulty in turning her there. In fact, 63
> inch
> > drivers are not an impediment. See 4501,
> 610.....
>
> Please don't try to compare the 4501 and 630, both
> 4 coupled driver sets, with the likes of T&P 610,
> which hasn't operated on the Southern in many
> years, and your SP 2-10-2. There is no comparison.

Where is her tender?

The tender was donated to Heber as part supply to their UP 618. They are converting her to burn oil and 982's tender went towards that cause. Tenders can be had, and a bigger one would be better....

Frisco1522 Wrote:
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> Where is her tender?

I would say couldn't they use 975's tender? But that engine is such a sorry disgrace at IRM that I doubt anything on that engine can be used.

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When did that happen?  Photos from last year show 982 on display near the ball park with her tender.

Txhighballer Wrote:
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> The tender was donated to Heber as part supply to
> their UP 618. They are converting her to burn oil
> and 982's tender went towards that cause. Tenders
> can be had, and a bigger one would be better....
>
> Frisco1522 Wrote:
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> > Where is her tender?

TomCarter Wrote:
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> When did that happen?  Photos from last year show
> 982 on display near the ball park with her
> tender.
>
Tom,

There is a photo of the tender from 982 outside the Heber City shops in September of 2014, so it appears that  the tender was moved last summer.

http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?10,3513918,3513918#3513918

Bob

Txhighballer Wrote:
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> The saga for the 2-10-2 continues. The now
> tenderless cosmetically restored locomotive is now
> officially a nomad. The museum in which she was
> going to be housed has been "put on hold",...

Was this the arrangement where they only had room for half the engine and were only going to display the front (or was it the back) half against a diorama?
If so, it sounds like having the building put on hold is a good thing for the engine!

 



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/19/15 15:25 by lwilton.

It is a good thing. The locomotive is currently safe in its current location, coocooned,and nobody is rushing with a deadline to get it moved.

Sadly you are correct, 975 is very rough.

 



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/19/15 20:58 by NWClassJ.

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I'm not in the loco restoration business so I'm probably missing a lot of clues. But just looking at those two shots of 975, I don't see a lot that gives me great concern, other than possibly the lagging never having been removed. And the missing hand rails and the like make me a little suspicious that possibly the lagging was removed and replaces with something at some pint.

There's a lot of rust, but except for some tin sheeting, it all seems pretty superficial, and should clean right up without (I think) major damage to the parts. Of course parts have been removed, so there are exposed ungreased pins and the like that are now trash. But a new pin is something that can be made by a competent machine shop. I'm assuming that most of the missing pieces have been preserved (or at least saved) and are in storage someplace. If there isn't freeze damage someplace expensive or major boiler problems I'm not sure that engine would be much more expensive to restore than any other.

Of course two sid photos aren't sifficient for a real evaluation. for all I know the engine has been sideswiped and this is the only side there is.

 

There is a GN Vanderbuilt tank at MOT near St. Louis that was on their de-accesstion list a few years back - might make a nice match with this 2-10-2.

Is contacting Herber Valley and seeing about getting it back, or at least part of it?  Seems like I remember seeing they wanted it mainly for the oil bunker, so maybe you could get the tender sans, oil bunker back and have a new one built?  People have overcome much larger obstacles than building a new oil tank.

PhillipJohnson Wrote:
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> Is contacting Herber Valley and seeing about
> getting it back, or at least part of it?  Seems
> like I remember seeing they wanted it mainly for
> the oil bunker, so maybe you could get the tender
> sans, oil bunker back and have a new one built?
>  People have overcome much larger obstacles than
> building a new oil tank.

I don't think the HVRR has any plans for it apart from what has already been removed. The oil tank and the trucks are the only things that were used as far as I've been able to see.  The oil bunker has some very serious rusting on some parts of it (I've personally needle gunned the entire tank) but luckily those areas are parts that are getting "trimmed away" anyways.   While the idea of keeping its original tender is nice, manufacturing a new oil bunker for 982 would cost at least 10 grand in material alone. Plus it seems like the thing was pretty undersized to begin with.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/20/15 14:42 by pkwlsn.

THe only thing 982 would be gettin back would be a truckless, bunker less tender,,,but it might make a decent space tender. IF the decision is made to go with a full bore restoration, I would be shopping for a six wheel Vanderbilt tender, if there is one out there.