Steam & Excursion > New 4014 Drawbars??

So a friend of mine attended the recent UP Steam open house and sent me this pic.

Happen to be the drawbars??

He also said Ed stated that the front driver frame was cleaned up and painted by volunteers that were the original group that got 3985 operating.

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Oldtyme Wrote:
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> So a friend of mine attended the recent UP Steam
> open house and sent me this pic.
>
> Happen to be the drawbars??
>
> He also said Ed stated that the front driver frame
> was cleaned up and painted by volunteers that were
> the original group that got 3985 operating.

That is certainly hard to believe, since most of those original "3985 volunteers" are dead and gone, except for Bob Krieger and Rick Steele.

Since he has recently accused the original 3985 restoration team of sloppy work on that locomotive, why would he allow them anywhere the 4014?

I have a photo of the front engine in my post. Maybe he was misunderstood about the 3985 guys. I am not aware of any of us survivors helping with that. One of the guys who helped at Pomona and a UPHS member has been helping and may have helped with that.

Bob Krieger
Cheyenne, WY

Well, besides that, how does the UP railroad allow ANY volunteers on the property, working in a union shop? Don't even visitors now have to sign a liability waver?

New drawbars?
Maybe he just had the originals cleaned up?

Like, the originals would have broken under the extreme loads of presented by fan trip consists...

Come ON!!!

W.

wcamp1472 Wrote:
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> New drawbars?
> Maybe he just had the originals cleaned up?
>
> Like, the originals would have broken under the
> extreme loads of presented by fan trip
> consists...
>
> Come ON!!!
>
> W.

Probably for all those 12,000' stack trains they're going to pull. (kidding, I'm just kidding)

Liability waivers have been around for quite a while. I remember signing them with Lynn for access to the property for most every year that the Sherman Hill Club was in the roundhouse.

UP6936 Wrote:
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> Liability waivers have been around for quite a
> while. I remember signing them with Lynn for
> access to the property for most every year that
> the Sherman Hill Club was in the roundhouse.

OK, fine. However, would such a liability waver cover working on the equipment, and potential safety/medical issues?

Besides, why would a locomotive that has sat for so many years, then was towed dead from California to Cheyenne, require new drawbars? The 844, 3985, SP 4449, MIL 261, Frisco 1522, Santa Fe 3751, NKP 759, nor NKP 765 needed new drawbars!

HotWater Wrote:
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> UP6936 Wrote:
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> > Liability waivers have been around for quite a
> > while. I remember signing them with Lynn for
> > access to the property for most every year that
> > the Sherman Hill Club was in the roundhouse.
>
> OK, fine. However, would such a liability waver
> cover working on the equipment, and potential
> safety/medical issues?
>
> Besides, why would a locomotive that has sat for
> so many years, then was towed dead from California
> to Cheyenne, require new drawbars? The 844, 3985,
> SP 4449, MIL 261, Frisco 1522, Santa Fe 3751, NKP
> 759, nor NKP 765 needed new drawbars!

But Jack look how shiny those new drawbars are, all about the bling ya know :-)

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HotWater Wrote:
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> Oldtyme Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So a friend of mine attended the recent UP
> Steam
> > open house and sent me this pic.
> >
> > Happen to be the drawbars??
> >
> > He also said Ed stated that the front driver
> frame
> > was cleaned up and painted by volunteers that
> were
> > the original group that got 3985 operating.
>
> That is certainly hard to believe, since most of
> those original "3985 volunteers" are dead and
> gone, except for Bob Krieger and Rick Steele.

Yeah I kind of questioned that statement too when he told me that...but I'm not a railroader...just a retired heavy equipment mechanic.

Something else I heard was 1 excursion only for 844 in 2018.

They put new drawbars in 844, too. Nobody can explain why.

Well, someone give good old Ed a call and ask him why:

Email: eedickens@up.com
P 307-778-3227
F 307-778-3310
C 307-214-3547

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CPRR Wrote:
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> Well, someone give good old Ed a call and ask him
> why:
>
> Email: eedickens@up.com
> P 307-778-3227
> F 307-778-3310
> C 307-214-3547


And depending on the hour of the day, and the day of the week, which "answer" do you expect to receive?

Jack I don't know why it would need new drawbars or if you can work on equipment with a waiver. I know some of us who traveled and had waivers for the Sherman Hill Club, did do some work. I know that the contractors for the steam crew was a totally different deal. The few people who I have talked to that went on trips, said that they could with a waiver, wipe down rods, and help clean the locomotive. We did a little of that before Steve left, I remember wash 1996 in Tacoma. Just saying the waivers have been around.

Probly the same reason for drilling holes in all the threaded caps of the Flannery flexible staybolt caps on the 844.
THEN, bought alll brand new staybolt caps for drilled, ruined, original caps....

The telltale holes are in the center of the BOLTS, not the caps....
Is 4014 getting all new, shiny replacement caps?
WHY?

For the drilled bolts, replacing the porous plugs (firebox side) protecting the integrity of the clear holes, free from obstructions....knocking the plugs out is what’s intended by ‘drilling’ the staybolt holes. Unfortunately, the telltale cleaning process is often referred-to as ‘drilling’. The original Flannery bolts have these holes’ bores copper plated ( electrical conductivity’ purposes) —— drilling these holes risks stripping the copper plating, out.....
DO NOT DRILL-OUT THESE COPPER PLATED HOLES... Use the approved air lances, and hole cleaning tools...

The proof that the hole is open all the way to the bottom...continuity testing is enhanced by the copper plating, all the way down the hole...
“drilling these holes, routinely, strips out the copper plating, for no reason...
A bolt that fails the continuity testing, must be considered a ‘broken bolt’..... when in reality, the only ‘break’ is in the stripped-out copper plating...

The removable caps are intended to ease the replacement of bolts that fail the hydrostatic ‘stretch testing’,and ‘weeping’ telltale holes.
Bolts with telltale holes do not need to have their caps disturbed — ever. ( That is the main purpose of the hydrostatic boiler tests...).

Many of these ‘replacement scenarios’ , not confined to the Union Pacific, are totally unnecessary, costly, and effectively result in poorer quality than the original.
The new drawbars will still be required to be routinely removed for routine NDT testing...

Oh well,
Its rarely wise to critique other’s maintenance choices,; yet, it is also risky to let such needless practices be perceived as ordinary and routine, by newcomers to the art.

Such arbitrary practices ARE NOT part of Loco restorations.
There are prescribed inspections that are mandatory, others are optional....cost control should be a high priority....Emotions and imagined fears have no part of restoration work. Be wary of folks who claim that a fault that they have is being a ‘perfectionist’.. ( their ‘self-perceived perfection’ is a psychosis,
not a leadership characteristic ...).
RUN, don’t walk away from such fakirs...

Bring judgement to the process. Tearing apart every last nut and bolt does NOT ensure precluding a future road failure.

W.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 11/22/17 03:26 by wcamp1472.

Oldtyme Wrote:
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Nothing in this posting says that these are "new" drawbars.


> So a friend of mine attended the recent UP Steam
> open house and sent me this pic.
>
> Happen to be the drawbars??
>
> He also said Ed stated that the front driver frame
> was cleaned up and painted by volunteers that were
> the original group that got 3985 operating.

How many drawbars appear to be on that pallet?
Something lurking in there?.

[From earlier post: “Maybe he just had the originals cleaned up?”]
Anybody got a clue...new material, or just nicely cleaned-up ‘originals’ ??

W.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/22/17 09:50 by wcamp1472.

WHATEVER....


wcamp1472 Wrote:
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> How many drawbars appear to be on that pallet?
> Something lurking in there?.
>
>
> Anybody got a clue...new material, or just nicely
> cleaned-up ‘originals’ ??
>
> W.