Steam & Excursion > TABB=NavajoStatePark=Railroad Display=Arboles

11-15-18 Tracks Across Borders Byway=Navajo State Park=Railroad Display=Arboles. The Southwest sure needs more snow and rain.

Roger Hogan
Chama, NM
Train Stuff

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Cool Roj.....

Someone needs to cut down that big pinion pine that has been growing between the cars since 1968.

With the Navajo Reservoir down this far, one could used thier drone the explore the orginal line that disappeared under the lake.  In a couple of your shots looking ot the east, I think you can see the old roadbed looping its way down into the valley.

Earlk Wrote:
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> Cool Roj.....
>
> Someone needs to cut down that big pinion pine
> that has been growing between the cars since
> 1968.
>
> With the Navajo Reservoir down this far, one could
> used thier drone the explore the orginal line that
> disappeared under the lake.  In a couple of your
> shots looking ot the east, I think you can see the
> old roadbed looping its way down into the valley.

I like that idea, I need to go back and see if I can find it. I think someone told me there was a town there.

Roger Hogan
Chama, NM
Train Stuff

Thanks for the History. Is this public land or own by the native Americans?  Great filming and music made it fantastic,

Chris

Mudrock Wrote:
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> Thanks for the History. Is this public land or own
> by the native Americans?  Great filming and music
> made it fantastic,
>
> Chris

Public, located at Navajo State Park.

Roger Hogan
Chama, NM
Train Stuff

wonder in Navajo reservoir is now only in NM

dan Wrote:
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> wonder in Navajo reservoir is now only in NM

I was surprised how low the water level was.

Roger Hogan
Chama, NM
Train Stuff

In looking at my negatives taken at Arboles in 1962 I see, blocked in part by 488 & 491 and train, a single story building well beyond the water tower on the north side of the tracks and on the siding on the south side of the main line a string of cars similar to the two still there.  There is also a cattle pen on the south side of the main line by the siding west of the water tower.  These directions may not be correct, so just reverse everything if they are not.

HT6 Wrote:
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> In looking at my negatives taken at Arboles in
> 1962 I see, blocked in part by 488 & 491 and
> train, a single story building well beyond the
> water tower on the north side of the tracks and on
> the siding on the south side of the main line a
> string of cars similar to the two still there.
>  There is also a cattle pen on the south side of
> the main line by the siding west of the water
> tower.  These directions may not be correct, so
> just reverse everything if they are not.

Thank you. I will check it out. From what I have read they moved Arboles because the lake would of covered it up.

Roger Hogan
Chama, NM
Train Stuff

Thanks for sharing. Interesting how a steam engine tender was made into a water tank. I have never seen that before.

Victor A. Baird
http://www.erstwhilepublications.com

IT IS A STANDARD GAUGE ONE AT THAT, OR PART OF ONE IIRC
 

wabash2800 Wrote:
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> Thanks for sharing. Interesting how a steam engine
> tender was made into a water tank. I have never
> seen that before.
>
> Victor A. Baird
> http://www.erstwhilepublications.com

This is the only one I have seen.

Roger Hogan
Chama, NM
Train Stuff

dan Wrote:
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> IT IS A STANDARD GAUGE ONE AT THAT, OR PART OF ONE
> IIRC
>  

Thanks for the information.

Roger Hogan
Chama, NM
Train Stuff

"This" Navajo State Park is in Colorado, as are both "old" and "new" Arboles.  The dam itself is in New Mexico. Navajo Lake State Park is the New Mexico counterpart of Colorado's Navajo  State Park.  (Navajo Reservoir itself was built in part to supply water to the Navajo Indian Reservation to fulfill part of the obligations of the 1868 goverment treat with the Navajo Tribe.  To this day, water from the reservoir is pumped at US government expense to the Navajo Agricultural Project many miles away and about 1,000 feet higher in elevation.  The history of that can be found here:  http://www.navajopride.com/index.php/history/ .)  As to the standard gauge tender used for a water tank at Arboles, if memory serves, it is from one of the D&RGW standard gauge 4-8-2 M-75 1600's.  When I first saw it in 1968, the engine number was still partly visible on the tender, but I don't remember which engine (1600-1609) that it was from.  I also believe that the tank was moved from "old" Arboles--the concrete foundation that the tank supports sit on at "new" Arbloles is a "modern" (1962-era) poured concrete foundation.  The two drop bottom gons were also there in 1968, as I recall filled with cinders that the D&RGW used for ballast.

The open-end gon mentioned in an earlier post about Pagosa Jct. (Gato) was also there in 1968--mostly likely set out as a "bad order" from an eastbound train--probably from a hotbox.  Toward the end of D&RGW operations on Alamosa-Durango-Farmington line, bad order cars were seldom repaired, they were simply set out.  Since there never was a true "clean-up" train ever run on the Chama-Durango-Farmington portion, cars left on the line were never picked up--they were simply left where they sat, sold off, or scrapped in place.  The rails were removed by truck during the summer of 1970.  Much of the better condition scrapped raill on the Chama-Durango-Farmington portion found its way onto the Silverton Branch during the winter of 1970-71, after the Labor Day Weekend flood in 1970 washed away much of the track between Tacoma and Elk Park.  If that scrap rail had not been readily available, chances are the Silverton Branch would not have been rebuilt.

WW Wrote:
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> "This" Navajo State Park is in Colorado, as are
> both "old" and "new" Arboles.  The dam itself is
> in New Mexico. Navajo Lake State Park is the New
> Mexico counterpart of Colorado's Navajo  State
> Park.  (Navajo Reservoir itself was built in part
> to supply water to the Navajo Indian Reservation
> to fulfill part of the obligations of the 1868
> goverment treat with the Navajo Tribe.  To this
> day, water from the reservoir is pumped at US
> government expense to the Navajo Agricultural
> Project many miles away and about 1,000 feet
> higher in elevation.  The history of that can be
> found here: 
> http://www.navajopride.com/index.php/history/ .) 
> As to the standard gauge tender used for a water
> tank at Arboles, if memory serves, it is from one
> of the D&RGW standard gauge 4-8-2 M-75 1600's. 
> When I first saw it in 1968, the engine number was
> still partly visible on the tender, but I don't
> remember which engine (1600-1609) that it was
> from.  I also believe that the tank was moved
> from "old" Arboles--the concrete foundation that
> the tank supports sit on at "new" Arbloles is a
> "modern" (1962-era) poured concrete foundation. 
> The two drop bottom gons were also there in 1968,
> as I recall filled with cinders that the D&RGW
> used for ballast.
>
> The open-end gon mentioned in an earlier post
> about Pagosa Jct. (Gato) was also there in
> 1968--mostly likely set out as a "bad order" from
> an eastbound train--probably from a hotbox. 
> Toward the end of D&RGW operations on
> Alamosa-Durango-Farmington line, bad order cars
> were seldom repaired, they were simply set out. 
> Since there never was a true "clean-up" train ever
> run on the Chama-Durango-Farmington portion, cars
> left on the line were never picked up--they were
> simply left where they sat, sold off, or scrapped
> in place.  The rails were removed by truck during
> the summer of 1970.  Much of the better condition
> scrapped raill on the Chama-Durango-Farmington
> portion found its way onto the Silverton Branch
> during the winter of 1970-71, after the Labor Day
> Weekend flood in 1970 washed away much of the
> track between Tacoma and Elk Park.  If that scrap
> rail had not been readily available, chances are
> the Silverton Branch would not have been rebuilt.

I learned a lot. Thank you for your post.

Roger Hogan
Chama, NM
Train Stuff