Steam & Excursion > UP 4014 Big Boy cab right.

Photo from a UP release/post of 4014 cab. (restoration progressing.)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/19/19 07:11 by Spikes.

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That would be the cab of 4014.

Bob Krieger
Cheyenne, WY

That’s such a cute touch: painting every ‘handle’ on the engine, RED ... probably even the handle for the roof hatch..

Also, they forgot the red-touch on “big handle”: the throttle.

W.

( I couldn’t help myself!!)

Posted from iPhone

Thanks looks great am glad to see the progress.

So,,,,,,,it is becoming more obvious that they will make the trip from Cheyenne to Ogden and return, plus any other outings in May or June, without any insulation & jacketing on the entire backhead. Guess they ran out of time?

wcamp1472 Wrote:
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> That’s such a cute touch: painting every
> ‘handle’ on the engine, RED ... probably even
> the handle for the roof hatch..
>
> Also, they forgot the red-touch on “big
> handle”: the throttle.
>
> W.
>
> ( I couldn’t help myself!!)
>
> Posted from iPhone

Wes, in the old days we delivered from the "works", or brand new, would all of the handles, valves, controls be painted red? Historically is what I am asking.

I have no reliable idea.

But we have cab photos at the builders, and my presumption is that was not a common practice at the builders.. probably depended on the customer’s wishes and practices.

Don’t know for sure, but it’s a common ‘rash’ that has spread once the locos became show pieces.

In private industry there are several color code standards ( see on-line references) for piping in factories, refineries and buildings .... but, I haven’t seen every handle painted red except on dolled-up steam engines.. stuffed or running..

However, I am a big fan and supporter of whitewall tires... an often inflammatory discussion subject here, surrounding steam locos.

IMHO, All black wheels, hidden up under the engine are a disappointment... especially on
high-drivered locos..

W.

Posted from iPhone

Geez Jack, yuh think? That shot appears to be of the same series that was posted last week, can't believe they're going to run
without insulating the backhead.

Out

HotWater Wrote:
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> So,,,,,,,it is becoming more obvious that they
> will make the trip from Cheyenne to Ogden and
> return, plus any other outings in May or June,
> without any insulation & jacketing on the entire
> backhead. Guess they ran out of time?



Maybe these pictures were taken a month ago or longer?

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bankshotone Wrote:
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> HotWater Wrote:
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> > So,,,,,,,it is becoming more obvious that they
> > will make the trip from Cheyenne to Ogden and
> > return, plus any other outings in May or June,
> > without any insulation & jacketing on the
> entire
> > backhead. Guess they ran out of time?
>
>
>
> Maybe these pictures were taken a month ago or
> longer?

Even it they were, why would EVERYTHING, including all that beautiful wood flooring on the Engineer's and Fireman's side, be installed prior to insulation & jacket installation, just for a photo? 

HotWater Wrote:
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> bankshotone Wrote:
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> > HotWater Wrote:
> >
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> > -----
> > > So,,,,,,,it is becoming more obvious that
> they
> > > will make the trip from Cheyenne to Ogden and
> > > return, plus any other outings in May or
> June,
> > > without any insulation & jacketing on the
> > entire
> > > backhead. Guess they ran out of time?
> >
> >
> >
> > Maybe these pictures were taken a month ago or
> > longer?
>
> Even it they were, why would EVERYTHING, including
> all that beautiful wood flooring on the Engineer's
> and Fireman's side, be installed prior to
> insulation & jacket installation, just for a
> photo? 


Remember who we are talking about????
Maybe it's to make folks like us talk about it?

Posted from Android

Is there a safety net to catch God when he falls of the cab window after lookinig like Casey Jones

For the steam-initiated, what does that lever and quadrant in the lower left corner control?

Scott Griggs
Louisville, KY

sgriggs Wrote:
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> For the steam-initiated, what does that lever and
> quadrant in the lower left corner control?
>
> Scott Griggs
> Louisville, KY

That is the operating lever for the Nathan 4000S non-lifting injector.

Is there any adjustment to the seat moving forward or backward?

HotWater Wrote:
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> sgriggs Wrote:
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> > For the steam-initiated, what does that lever
> and
> > quadrant in the lower left corner control?
> >
> > Scott Griggs
> > Louisville, KY
>
> That is the operating lever for the Nathan 4000S
> non-lifting injector.

Thanks, HW.  It doesn't look like it is just an on/off control-- does the position of the lever control the rate the injector cycles at?

sgriggs Wrote:
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> HotWater Wrote:
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> > sgriggs Wrote:
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> > > For the steam-initiated, what does that lever
> > and
> > > quadrant in the lower left corner control?
> > >
> > > Scott Griggs
> > > Louisville, KY
> >
> > That is the operating lever for the Nathan
> 4000S
> > non-lifting injector.
>
> Thanks, HW.  It doesn't look like it is just an
> on/off control-- does the position of the lever
> control the rate the injector cycles at?

Injectors do not "cycle", they are either ON or OFF. However, virtually ALL injectors can be regulated as to the volume of water they supply to the boiler. In the case of that Nathan 4000s, or even the regular Nathan 4000, injector, that operating handle does a lot of operations:

1) First place on the rack, turns on the water supply (yes there is a separate valve for turning on the actual water supply from the tender to the intake on the injector).

2) The next position primes & supplies steam to the injector.

3) The remaining portion of the rack allows for reducing or increasing the volume of water actually being supplied to the boiler.

For what it's worth, the UP 4000 class locomotives all carried a "special", increased capacity, Nathan 4000 series non-lifting injector, thus the model "4000S", indicating Special. 

HotWater Wrote:
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> Even it they were, why would EVERYTHING, including
> all that beautiful wood flooring on the Engineer's
> and Fireman's side, be installed prior to
> insulation & jacket installation, just for a
> photo? 

A better question: why would you put all the jacketing on before the test fire? What if there's a leak or broken bolt that didn't come up during the hydro? Then you're ripping off lagging to chase a leak around.

With the jacketing off, you can immediately identify any potential problem areas, repair them, and then put the jacketing and lagging on.
 

nathansixchime Wrote:
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> HotWater Wrote:
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>
> > Even it they were, why would EVERYTHING,
> including
> > all that beautiful wood flooring on the
> Engineer's
> > and Fireman's side, be installed prior to
> > insulation & jacket installation, just for a
> > photo? 
>
> A better question: why would you put all the
> jacketing on before the test fire? What if there's
> a leak or broken bolt that didn't come up during
> the hydro? Then you're ripping off lagging to
> chase a leak around.
>
> With the jacketing off, you can immediately
> identify any potential problem areas, repair them,
> and then put the jacketing and lagging on.

Absolutely correct! Then,,,,,,why bother to install all that fancy wood flooring, which will all have to be removed in order to install the insulation and jacketing, after the test firing? 

HotWater Wrote:

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> Injectors do not "cycle", they are either ON or
> OFF. 

Of course!  I wasn't thinking correctly about how an injector works.  I think I was confusing the action of an air compressor with the action of the injector.  Obviously two completely different things and operating on two different principles.  Thanks for the clarification and explanation of how the 4000 controls work.

With respect to capacity (as you mentioned the 4000S injector being higher capacity than the 4000), were there instances in your 3985 operating experience when, while running with a high steaming rate, the Exhaust Steam Injector couldn't supply feedwater fast enough and it became necessary to supplement with the Nathan 4000?