Steam & Excursion > PRR T-1 project

The T-1 Trust web site last entry was June 2018.  The new boiler courses, new tube sheet and the long haul tender deal at Buffalo are landmarks.  Anything else to report?

Looks like there are updates posted on the site in October, 2018:

https://prrt1steamlocomotivetrust.org/store/newsletter.php?id=19

Also - seems they are more timely via updates on Facebook.

/Mitch

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NKP779 Wrote:
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> The T-1 Trust web site last entry was June 2018. 
> The new boiler courses, new tube sheet and the
> long haul tender deal at Buffalo are landmarks. 
> Anything else to report?

Sorry to say, this is a complete waste of time and money.  Even if it actually gets built, where do these people think it will operate?  There are so many restored steam locomotives plus several others under restoration and no main lines to run them on especially with the insurance requirements.  Oh well, some people like to waste money.
John in White Marsh, Maryland

ClubCar Wrote:
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> NKP779 Wrote:
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> > The T-1 Trust web site last entry was June
> 2018. 
> > The new boiler courses, new tube sheet and the
> > long haul tender deal at Buffalo are
> landmarks. 
> > Anything else to report?
>
> Sorry to say, this is a complete waste of time and
> money.  Even if it actually gets built, where do
> these people think it will operate?  There are so
> many restored steam locomotives plus several
> others under restoration and no main lines to run
> them on especially with the insurance
> requirements.  Oh well, some people like to waste
> money.
> John in White Marsh, Maryland

The T1 Trust has already answered this question. Read the website.

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mdogg Wrote:

> The T1 Trust has already answered this question.
> Read the website.
>
> Posted from Android

No matter, it's still a waste of time and money in my humble opinion.  Better historical railroad equipment should be restored first including putting money together to restore all the Pennsylvania Railroad Steam Locomotives in the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania located in Strasburg, Pennsylvania.  Here are the real locomotives from the railroad known as "The Standard of the World."  Let's preserve our history first instead of trying to re-create something from the past.
John in White Marsh, Maryland

I think thats' what I said regarding UP4014, It'll never run again. I happliy eating a HUGE piece of "steamed" crow. 

gandydancer4 Wrote:
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> I think thats' what I said regarding UP4014, It'll
> never run again. I happily eating a HUGE piece of
> "steamed" crow. 

I hope that I will not have to eat crow; however with the Union Pacific Corporation footing the bill, and since it's a rebuild of one of their retired engines, this is different.  But trying to build this T-1 from scratch, to me it makes no sense.  The UP has a railroad in which to operate the Big Boy.  The group trying to construct this T-1 has not.  That is a BIG difference.
John in White Marsh, Maryland

ClubCar Wrote:
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> gandydancer4 Wrote:
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> > I think thats' what I said regarding UP4014,
> It'll
> > never run again. I happily eating a HUGE piece
> of
> > "steamed" crow. 
>
> I hope that I will not have to eat crow; however
> with the Union Pacific Corporation footing the
> bill, and since it's a rebuild of one of their
> retired engines, this is different.  But trying
> to build this T-1 from scratch, to me it makes no
> sense.  The UP has a railroad in which to operate
> the Big Boy.  The group trying to construct this
> T-1 has not.  That is a BIG difference.
> John in White Marsh, Maryland

What's the #1 negative reaction to any locomotive anyone is trying to restore anywhere on this forum? "This makes no sense where are they going to run it?" The last I checked, the Fort Wayne Railroad Historical Society as an example does not in fact own a railroad upon which to operate and yet they seem to do just fine.
In all the years it is going to take to build a T-1 from scratch, are you able to look into a crystal ball to see the future and say definitively that they won't be able to run it anywhere? Did you read #9 in their FAQ? I hope you eat steamed crow when 5550 roars to life one day.

ClubCar Wrote:
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> gandydancer4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I think thats' what I said regarding UP4014,
> It'll
> > never run again. I happily eating a HUGE piece
> of
> > "steamed" crow. 
>
> I hope that I will not have to eat crow; however
> with the Union Pacific Corporation footing the
> bill, and since it's a rebuild of one of their
> retired engines, this is different.  But trying
> to build this T-1 from scratch, to me it makes no
> sense.  The UP has a railroad in which to operate
> the Big Boy.  The group trying to construct this
> T-1 has not.  That is a BIG difference.
> John in White Marsh, Maryland

Another thing to consider is the people involved with the T-1 project, along with their success so far. Again, please check their website. Never say never.

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ClubCar Wrote:
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> mdogg Wrote:
>
> > The T1 Trust has already answered this
> question.
> > Read the website.
> >
> > Posted from Android
>
> No matter, it's still a waste of time and money in
> my humble opinion. 

You're opinion is typically far from humble. You always post with a negative tone... is life really that bad?. You either  complain about the B & O Museum or the WMSR (in almost every post you make). The board of the T1 trust has some very respected and notable people on it. While I'm sure its a shame you didn't get an invite, I'm also sure they figured out the "Where to run it" part and likely don't require your professional services. You should try building things up rather than tearing them down.

Regards,

Dave

The catch, John, is they are not wasting YOUR money.  They are investing with OUR money, and
those that share the dream to see a PRR T-1 again, or in many cases, for the first time outside of
pixels, ink and paper. 

I'll spend my money on what I want, not on what someone else deems more important.  At least that's
my plan for now.  Hopefully, 2020 doesn't change things!

Dream big!

As for where to run it and today's environment - well, the restoration is at least a decade from being
finished.  Things always change.  Like GandyDancer said in regards to the UP Big Boy - never say
never. 

Heck - they could aways run it between the B&O Railroad Museum and its restoration shops!  ; )

/Mitch
 

dbesade Wrote:

 The board of the T1 trust has some very
> respected and notable people on it. While I'm sure
> its a shame you didn't get an invite, I'm also
> sure they figured out the "Where to run it" part
> and likely don't require your professional
> services. You should try building things up rather
> than tearing them down.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave

Dave, you are correct about the B&O Railroad Museum, but I have never said anything negative about the Western Maryland Scenic operation.  In fact, I have donated to their cause and it appears they will be operating their restored ex-C&O mallet steam engine sometime this summer which is very good news.
As for the B&O R.R. Museum, unless you actually know what goes on there, please do not comment.  It has been a shamble since it reopened after the roundhouse roof was repaired.  Yes, they have restored all the locomotives that were damaged inside and yes, they have a very nice program for the children who visit.  But what most people do not know or hide their faces from when visiting is the shamble condition of all the passenger cars sitting outside in the front yard along with the American Freedom Train Engine ex-Reading 2101, all being allowed to rust away.  In regards to some of those passenger cars, when the organization who owned some of them donated them to the museum, along with those cars that group gave the museum money, some securities, spare parts, tools, etc.  The only stipulation at that time was for the museum to maintain and operate those passenger cars to educate and show the public, including future generations, what B&O travel was all about.  They have NOT done this.  This is why I do not want people to go there any more.  I also donated money for the upkeep of those passenger cars myself along with many other folks who feel the way I do about this seeing the condition of the cars now.  
A group from the Reading Railroad Historical Society some years back wanted to help maintain the former Reading 2101.  They too were turned down.  This is absolutely no way to operate a museum which was started years ago by the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad Company for the preservation of their history and their equipment.
John in White Marsh, Maryland

ClubCar Wrote:
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> dbesade Wrote:
>
>  The board of the T1 trust has some very
> > respected and notable people on it. While I'm
> sure
> > its a shame you didn't get an invite, I'm also
> > sure they figured out the "Where to run it"
> part
> > and likely don't require your professional
> > services. You should try building things up
> rather
> > than tearing them down.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dave
>
> Dave, you are correct about the B&O Railroad
> Museum, but I have never said anything negative
> about the Western Maryland Scenic operation.  In
> fact, I have donated to their cause and it appears
> they will be operating their restored ex-C&O
> mallet steam engine sometime this summer which is
> very good news.
> As for the B&O R.R. Museum, unless you actually
> know what goes on there, please do not comment. 
> It has been a shamble since it reopened after the
> roundhouse roof was repaired.  Yes, they have
> restored all the locomotives that were damaged
> inside and yes, they have a very nice program for
> the children who visit.  But what most people do
> not know or hide their faces from when visiting is
> the shamble condition of all the passenger cars
> sitting outside in the front yard along with the
> American Freedom Train Engine ex-Reading 2101, all
> being allowed to rust away.  In regards to some
> of those passenger cars, when the organization who
> owned some of them donated them to the museum,
> along with those cars that group gave the museum
> money, some securities, spare parts, tools, etc. 
> The only stipulation at that time was for the
> museum to maintain and operate those passenger
> cars to educate and show the public, including
> future generations, what B&O travel was all
> about.  They have NOT done this.  This is why
> I do not want people to go there any more.  I
> also donated money for the upkeep of those
> passenger cars myself along with many other folks
> who feel the way I do about this seeing the
> condition of the cars now.  
> A group from the Reading Railroad Historical
> Society some years back wanted to help maintain
> the former Reading 2101.  They too were turned
> down.  This is absolutely no way to operate a
> museum which was started years ago by the
> Baltimore & Ohio Railroad Company for the
> preservation of their history and their
> equipment.
> John in White Marsh, Maryland

The horse is dead stop beating it

ClubCar speaks the truth when it comes to the B&O Museum. I've seen it first hand...

As far as the T1 project being a waste of time, I have heard some rumors involving this project (which I'm not at liberty to share). But I will say there are eyes watching this project...

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ns1000 Wrote:
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> ClubCar speaks the truth when it comes to the B&O
> Museum. I've seen it first hand...

So?  I've seen lots of things I don't like... I don't tack them on as a complaint at the end of every post I make on TO. Obviously its not as bad as you and ClubCar say otherwise it would have changed ... that or nobody really cares at which point you should start questioning why you do.

> As far as the T1 project being a waste of time, I
> have heard some rumors involving this project
> (which I'm not at liberty to share). But I will
> say there are eyes watching this project...
 
So mysterious :). I'm sure you are neglecting to mention them because they are ridculous and you want your 2 minutes of fame on TO.

Regards,

Dave


> Posted from Android

Sorry to disappoint you, but...

1. Investigate the Museum yourself...

2. I DON'T NEED "2 minutes of fame" to be happy. I'm NOT spreading what is currently rumors...??!!!

Have a blessed day....

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Personally a T1 doesn't interest me... Should have been an NYC Hudson to correct the biggest blunder in US rail preservation... If they had their heart set on a Pennsy engine, should have been a magnificent J1 2-10-4... The T1 was flawed and quickly overshadowed by diesels, and most didn't see their 10th birthday... Kind of a footnote in steam history IMHO...

But hey, it's not my money or my project... I know there are thousands who would donate to a T1 project and would love to see it active some day... To them and those in charge of the project, I hope you are successful, see it through, and get it running somewhere... The naysayers be damned...

There seems to be a lot of negative people in the world these days...  if the people have the know how and money to build a T-1  , I say go for it !!  Don't listen to the nay sayers.

Trainman41 Wrote:
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> There seems to be a lot of negative people in the
> world these days...  if the people have the know
> how and money to build a T-1  , I say go for it
> !!  Don't listen to the nay sayers.

No no no you're supposed to criticize and debate the point of the project where people are actually building a locomotive that they want to build instead of the one that you want to build that no one is building. That's how you do it. Applies equally to people restoring a locomotive that they want to restore vs the one that you want to be restored but are not restoring yourself. That's how you do things on train forums!

A lot akin to running a rail museum  --  lots of people say
"you should do this, you should do that," but when it comes
to donating or volunteering, they disappear - - silence.