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Date: 10/01/19 20:11
4014 consist
Author: JLKirk

Can someone post a consist of the train 4014 has in tow for this dining car fan?
Joel Kirk



Date: 10/01/19 20:53
Re: 4014 consist
Author: bobdavis

Here's what I wrote down on Monday - 10 cars, car names, not sure of car types:

Art Lockman - baggage
Howard Fogg -  type?
Lynn Nystrom - baggage
Challenger - dome
Promontory - baggage/exhibit
Green River - type? 
2066 - power car
Walter Dean - dome
City of Denver - type?
Kenefick - obs

Not complete info, but hope it helps.

Bob



Date: 10/02/19 01:33
Re: 4014 consist
Author: 2472Don

JLKirk Wrote:
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> Can someone post a consist of the train 4014 has
> in tow for this dining car fan?
> Joel Kirk

Joel -

Art Lockman - Baggage Car
Howard Fogg -  Boiler-Dorm-HEP Car
Lynn Nystrom - Baggage Car
Challenger - Dome-Lounge
Promontory - Baggage/Exhibit
Green River - 12-4 Sleeper Car
UPP 2066 - Power Car
Walter Dean - Dome-Lounge
City of Denver - Dining Car
Kenefick - Open Ended Platform Business Car

(SP)2472 Don
Manoa Valley, O'ahu



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/19 20:53 by 2472Don.



Date: 10/02/19 05:52
Re: 4014 consist
Author: Spikes

This is somewhat different from the consist noted for the California excursion. Comments?



Date: 10/02/19 07:22
Re: 4014 consist
Author: Bob3985

Spikes Wrote:
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> This is somewhat different from the consist noted
> for the California excursion. Comments?
This is the traveling consist for the "Experience" display car for the staff and invited guest riders.
Remember the excursion for Rail Giants is only a two day event out of this 60+ day trip around the southern tier of the railroad and I am sure the excursion consist is quite a different configuration.

Bob Krieger
Cheyenne, WY



Date: 10/02/19 09:18
Re: 4014 consist
Author: Bucyrus-Erie

What is the origin of dome car Challenger's name?

Thanks,
Mike Lee
Lake Hopatcong, NJ



Date: 10/02/19 09:26
Re: 4014 consist
Author: HotWater

Bucyrus-Erie Wrote:
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> What is the origin of dome car Challenger's
> name?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike Lee
> Lake Hopatcong, NJ

Didn't the C&NW/UP have a passenger train named "The Challenger"?



Date: 10/02/19 09:29
Re: 4014 consist
Author: DavidP

Bucyrus-Erie Wrote:
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> What is the origin of dome car Challenger's
> name?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike Lee
> Lake Hopatcong, NJ

Presumably named for the UP’s Chicago to LA all-coach train, which for much of it’s existence was combined with the City of Los Angeles as trains 103-104.  Many current UP passenger cars carry the names of the railroad’s premier passenger trains.

Dave



Date: 10/02/19 10:11
Re: 4014 consist
Author: ctjacks

Also note that the 4-6-6-4 engines, such as the 3985, were nicknamed Challengers.
These cars didn't have names when in service.  These names were applied in the mid-1990s when these cars were reacquired and extensively restored.



Date: 10/02/19 14:16
Re: 4014 consist
Author: NKP779

What is the kw rating of the UP power car? Gallons of fuel? Can someone share a floor plan of the "walk through" power car? FWRHS needs to build its own and there might be some good ideas to copy.

Posted from Android



Date: 10/02/19 16:06
Re: 4014 consist
Author: BKLJ611

NKP779 Wrote:
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> What is the kw rating of the UP power car? Gallons
> of fuel? Can someone share a floor plan of the
> "walk through" power car? FWRHS needs to build
> its own and there might be some good ideas to
> copy.
>
> Posted from Android

Is that the plan for one of the Amtrak cars I've seen on their instagram?



Date: 10/02/19 19:08
Re: 4014 consist
Author: JLKirk

Thanks to all!  I am sure that the consist will change, but I thought I saw a dome diner next to a regular diner in the photos.
Thanks again,
Joel Kirk



Date: 10/02/19 20:48
Re: 4014 consist
Author: 2472Don

JLKirk Wrote:
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> Thanks to all!  I am sure that the consist will
> change, but I thought I saw a dome diner next to a
> regular diner in the photos.
> Thanks again,
> Joel Kirk

Joel -

My eyes also deceived me. The exterior of the "Walter Dean", rostered as UPP 9005, looks like a Dome-Diner because of one of the ends being rounded (IIRC, the alteration of one end into a Blunt End Observation car, was done for second owner Great America Tours who used it as a Dome-Buffet-Observation) and on the roof, what looked like an exhaust outlet (for the stove/oven) is actually a round antenna - but alas, it is back to being a Dome-Lounge with the blunt rear end's marker lights removed.

(SP)2472 Don
Manoa Valley, O'ahu



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/19 22:41 by 2472Don.



Date: 10/02/19 22:34
Re: 4014 consist
Author: cewherry

HotWater Wrote:

> Didn't the C&NW/UP have a passenger train named
> "The Challenger"?

Yes. Began in 1936. C&NW dropped out of agreement in November 1955 and thereafter MILW handled the train Council Bluffs-Chicago.

Charlie



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/19 22:37 by cewherry.



Date: 10/03/19 07:08
Re: 4014 consist
Author: Nomad

NKP779 Wrote:
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> What is the kw rating of the UP power car? Gallons
> of fuel? Can someone share a floor plan of the
> "walk through" power car? FWRHS needs to build
> its own and there might be some good ideas to
> copy.
>
> Posted from Android

Don't have time to find the link right now, but I've seen floor plans for these cars on UP's website. Somewhere they have a section with details about their passenger fleet.



Date: 10/03/19 10:48
Re: 4014 consist
Author: DavidP

Don,

The 9000-series domes were always lounges, originally built with round-edge blunt ends for end of train service.  Soon after introduction they had full doors and diaphragms added so the could be placed next to the diners in the consist.  The 8000-series dome diners had regular ends, and are most easily identified by the service door at the kitchen end.

Dave

2472Don Wrote:
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> JLKirk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Thanks to all!  I am sure that the consist
> will
> > change, but I thought I saw a dome diner next to
> a
> > regular diner in the photos.
> > Thanks again,
> > Joel Kirk
>
> Joel -
>
> My eyes also deceived me. The exterior of the
> "Walter Dean", rostered as UPP 9005, looks like a
> Dome-Diner because of one of the ends being
> rounded (IIRC, the alteration of one end into a
> Blunt End Observation car, was done for second
> owner Great America Tours who used it as a
> Dome-Buffet-Observation) and on the roof, what
> looked like an exhaust outlet (for the stove/oven)
> is actually a round antenna - but alas, it is back
> to being a Dome-Lounge with the blunt rear end's
> marker lights removed.
>
> (SP)2472 Don
> Manoa Valley, O'ahu



Date: 10/05/19 14:26
Re: 4014 consist
Author: Trainman41

Does anyone know what the total tonnage is of the consist?  water cars, diesel helper and all the passenger cars?
Thanks



Date: 10/05/19 14:45
Re: 4014 consist
Author: HotWater

Trainman41 Wrote:
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> Does anyone know what the total tonnage is of the
> consist?  water cars, diesel helper and all the
> passenger cars?
> Thanks

Yes, i.e. someone knows. It should be listed on the train make-up paperwork provided to the train crew.



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