Steam & Excursion > GTW 4-8-4 6334 ('56)

Here's a Bruce Black shot @ Chicago on 12/9/56 ....

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That's an Exhaust Steam Injector by the rear driver?

Cold water pump?
 

William Wilson
St. Johns, MI

Hogger1225 Wrote:
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> Cold water pump?

Just my opinion but, I don't think so, as there does not appear to be any "hot water pump" visible, nor any sort of heat exchanger. This looks a lot like the feedwater system that New York Central used on their Hudsons. 

What an image to warm the spirits on a grey, cool, rainy Michigan day. Just beautiful, as GTW steam was, maintained so well and for so long. And so unappreciated by those elsewhere...until too late.

Just splendid. Thanks so much, valmont. (PS - GTW stuff is always welcome!)

MC
Muskegon, Michigan

Appears to be Hancock, exhaust steam injector ...
Very common on Canadian locos  .... gravity-feed cold water --
no pump needed ...

The  Canadians liked these devices...

W.
 

"Appears to be Hancock, exhaust steam injector ...
Very common on Canadian locos  .... gravity-feed cold water --
no pump needed ...

The  Canadians liked these devices... "

Actually, it's an Elesco Exhaust Steam Injector on that GTW 4-8-4. When a locomotive so-equipped was sitting still and there was no exhaust, the device was operated by live steam, but switched over to exhaust steam operation automatically.once the loco got going and made exhaust steam. We at the Age of Steam Roundhouse Museum have one of these injecdtors on our ex-GTW 4-8-4 #6325, and it worked like a charm when we had this loco in service. Elesco exhaust steam injector cab gauges had distinctive 8-sided brass bezels, and those Elesco ESI gauges with black faces were absolutrly beautiful with all of that polished, extra brass. Be safe.

John B. Corns  (misterwandle)

Nice photo of a beautiful locomotive.  Thanks for sharing.

ironmtn Wrote:
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> What an image to warm the spirits on a grey, cool,
> rainy Michigan day. Just beautiful, as GTW steam
> was, maintained so well and for so long. And so
> unappreciated by those elsewhere...until too
> late.
>
> Just splendid. Thanks so much, valmont. (PS - GTW
> stuff is always welcome!)
>
> MC
> Muskegon, Michigan

Well, at least one of the handsome GTW Northerns, 6325, was saved and even restored to operation to run on the Ohio Central during the early 2000s.

I think these 4-8-4s, along with the Canadian National "Confederation" Class 4-8-4s, were among the best-looking steam locomotives to grace Northern American rails.

Re: wandle ...

Thanks for the clarification ..it's important that accurate information be 
clearly stated..

I  apologize for the incorrect presumption..

W.

Thanks for the info. That's why I asked the question in the first place.

RuleG Wrote:
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> Nice photo of a beautiful locomotive.  Thanks for
> sharing.

> Well, at least one of the handsome GTW Northerns,
> 6325, was saved and even restored to operation to
> run on the Ohio Central during the early 2000s.
>
> I think these 4-8-4s, along with the Canadian
> National "Confederation" Class 4-8-4s, were among
> the best-looking steam locomotives to grace
> Northern American rails.

I completely agree. I looked admiringly at this image for quite some time. A big regret for me is that I missed their operation on the OC, as well as their final days on the GTW and parent CN. I've seen the photos and video, and heard the stories....



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/19/20 04:48 by ironmtn.

OK,,,,,,,,so exactly where is the Exhaust Steam Injector itself located? That device mounted down low, is the cold water supply turbine pump, as explained above. Both UP 3985 and 4014 have the same system, with the Exhaust Steam Injector mounted horizontally underneath the Fireman's side walkway, up forward by the smokebox.

So...any chance of GTW 6325 running in future years?

Keystone1 Wrote:
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> So...any chance of GTW 6325 running in future
> years?

Running where?

Isnt that thing in front of the rear driver the Exh Steam Injector?  I see high pressure steam supply from the turret, a water pipe from the tender, a feedwater pipe running at an angle above the drivers that goes up to a check valve on top of the boiler, and a larger diameter pipe that plausibly comes from the steam chest area (exhaust steam?).

A lot easier for the fireman to see the overflow there than way up front, right?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/19/20 08:19 by sgriggs.

Anywhere....I saw her run several times between 2001 and 2004 in the snow and summer.  JJJ arranged a cab ride for myself and wife Florence.  She even pulled throttle!   Wonderful engine, and Jerry was a wonderful man.  One time I was out on a trip, Ross Rowland got a chance to run 6325.  I hope she will run again.

sgriggs Wrote:
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> Isnt that thing in front of the rear driver the
> Exh Steam Injector?  I see high pressure steam
> supply from the turret, a water pipe from the
> tender, a feedwater pipe running at an angle above
> the drivers that goes up to a check valve on top
> of the boiler, and a larger diameter pipe that
> plausibly comes from the steam chest area (exhaust
> steam?).

Yes. Wes Camp sent me an eMail and suggested I look closer at the device in the photo, which is indeed the whole Exhaust Steam Injector. Since it is mounted so low, it there is thus no requirement for the cold water supply turbine pump, as used on the UP 3985 & 4014. Also, since it is not as huge as the massive Exhaust Steam Injector assembly required for the UP 3900 and 4000 class locomotives, it is thus more compact and gravity fed with tender water.


> A lot easier for the fireman to see the overflow
> there than way up front, right?

Well, I guess, but remember that on the UP articulated locomotives equipped with those Elesco systems, the Fireman has a small light mounted down below and forward of his knees, that lights up "SPILL" if and when the injector drops. However, in the daytime, I would tend to prefer that forward mounted "overflow" (just forward of the left rear engine cylinder), since you are always looking forward anyway.

Keystone1 Wrote:
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> Anywhere....I saw her run several times between
> 2001 and 2004 in the snow and summer.  JJJ
> arranged a cab ride for myself and wife Florence.
>  She even pulled throttle!   Wonderful engine,
> and Jerry was a wonderful man.  One time I was
> out on a trip, Ross Rowland got a chance to run
> 6325.  I hope she will run again.

Were you on the charter when everyone got a bit of throttle time?   I remember stopping it was the scary part,  despite having Grant standing inches from the brake valve.

It was a Goodheart production.

Keystone1 Wrote:
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> It was a Goodheart production.

No it wasn't!!!
It was the October 2003 photo charter weekend.  They sold tickets to everyone.  Goodheart did some PRIVATE charters for invited guests.  He was in charge of the operation to some degree, but it was an OC operation.  I did Saturday only, with the freight train, and shot a few runbys early on Sunday and left.  Later that Sunday was when all the people got the throttle time.  Most of them were done at the last runby spot of the day, near where the Trainmaster lived(Denny V).
So I guess I should have booked both days and gotten some throttle time.  As it was I won a raffle for a cab ride on Saturday which was nice.  I also rode the cab in 2002 from Dennison for a few miles.  Always liked that engine!  People were good up there as well.  The CMO Tim Sposato goes back to the Ross Rowland era of steam, and worked for NS before Jerry hired him around 1989.
Greg Scholl