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Nice but,,,,,,,,shouldn't this be on the Model Railroading board?

Indicators are wrong.

-LD

Beautiful model despite the usual complaints...

Bill Deaver
Tehachapi, CA

MojaveBill Wrote:
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> Beautiful model despite the usual complaints...

Well, being a long past HO and O Scale modeler, it looks like the model is "right out of the box", since the engine truck wheels are not even painted, and the axle ends on the drivers are not painted. Then of course there are the incorrect Train Number Indicators, as mentioned above.

Jack, I assume your modeling was HotSh*t, long past. Hoping for a photo or two to back up your claim, otherwise, it's just the usual HotAir.
It's a never-ending source of amazement that Todd hasn't banned you. I saw what Lance posted about your rants yesterday about the lashups followed by Mr Gibson's comments, HotPotato.

We get some of the most outstanding steam contributions from folks like Wes Camp, and then we get your contributions, just a bunch of HotCrap.

2-10-2

2-10-2 Wrote:
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> Jack, I assume your modeling was HotSh*t, long
> past. Hoping for a photo or two to back up your
> claim, otherwise, it's just the usual HotAir.
> It's a never-ending source of amazement that Todd
> hasn't banned you. I saw what Lance posted about
> your rants yesterday about the lashups followed by
> Mr Gibson's comments, HotPotato.
>
> We get some of the most outstanding steam
> contributions from folks like Wes Camp, and then
> we get your contributions, just a bunch of
> HotCrap.
>
> 2-10-2

Careful,,,,,,,,your jealousy is showing.

Author: HotWater> (yawn)...That's the best you have?

HOT WATER JACK's facts are almost always correct. He is VERY knowlegeable and has bona-fide hands-on experience. I for one look forward to his posts even if he is a bit ornery. Not even counting his experiences on the BC&G, 4449, firing on the UP, and who knows what else, he was a big help on the 1979 overhaul of NKP 765. Jack helped convert the air brake system to a 26 and coordinated the MU box installation. I always enjoy his response to the "does anybody know......" questions. Jack replies "yes."

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Alrighty then! That's one vote FOR Jack. Do I hear a second?
Let's start a poll!

Its always good to get these things cleared up. I thought it was the real deal outshopped in Roseville to look like a model. Oh well do we really care?
RB

LarryDoyle Wrote:
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> Indicators are wrong.
Just curious ... is there any scenario where those indicators could be correct? Perhaps a second locomitive somewhere in the train with that number, or a doublleheader which had to set out a bad order locomitive?

clem Wrote:
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> LarryDoyle Wrote:
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> > Indicators are wrong.
> Just curious ... is there any scenario where those
> indicators could be correct? Perhaps a second
> locomitive somewhere in the train with that
> number, or a doublleheader which had to set out a
> bad order locomitive?

Point helper on train Extra 5729.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/31/20 19:05 by PHall.

PHall Wrote:
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> clem Wrote:
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> > LarryDoyle Wrote:
> >
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> > -----
> > > Indicators are wrong.
> > Just curious ... is there any scenario where
> those
> > indicators could be correct? Perhaps a second
> > locomitive somewhere in the train with that
> > number, or a doublleheader which had to set out
> a
> > bad order locomitive?
>
> Point helper on train Extra 5729.

To PHall's point: The 1943 edition of SP's rules held that when two or more engines were coupled at the head
of a train, the leading engine only will display train indicators; except when helper engines were coupled ahead
of road engine, helper engine will duplicate indicators displayed by road engine. In other words, the 'point' would
display the same train indicator numbers as the road engine. 

In the photo we see only one engine and even if the 5729 were somewhere back in the train the fact remains that
there is only one engine on the 'point', and that is the 2465. 

Now, for discussion purposes, let's say the 5729 was, in fact, the helper and had cut-off from the 2465 and moved
out of camera range for whatever reason, there remains no scenario for the 2465 to be displaying the number 5729.

If, on the other hand, this photo had been taken after December 1, 1951 a new SP rule book would be in effect and 
the applicable Rule 22 now said when two or more engines were coupled at the head of a train, the leading engine 
only would display train indication; except that when road engine is coupled behind a helper engine over part of a
subdivision, the road engine may display train indication the same as displayed on helper engine.

Again, for discussion, it is now December 2, 1951 and Eng 5729 is the 'point' helper over a portion of the XYZ subdivision.
The 'point' helper has cut off it's train and proceeded out of camera range for some reason, leaving road engine 2465 who
has opted to display the X5729 in its train indicators. All quite proper provided, of course, the 5729 will return to the train before
departing the scene otherwise 2465 will have to obtain other authority to proceed.

So the answer to clem's question depends on when the photo was taken. Prior to 1951: No.  After December 1, 1951: Yes; only
if 5729 helping over a part of a subdivision. 

Charlie
 



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 05/31/20 20:20 by cewherry.

PHall Wrote:
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> clem Wrote:
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> > LarryDoyle Wrote:
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> > > Indicators are wrong.
> > Just curious ... is there any scenario where
> those
> > indicators could be correct?
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> Point helper on train Extra 5729.
I hadn't thought of that due to visible baggage car, but I guess there's no rule against having a car between the helper and the rest of the train.

Jack models in 1:1 Scale; It is right on. <G>

Victor A. Baird
http://www.erstwhilepublications.com


2-10-2 Wrote:
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> Jack, I assume your modeling was HotSh*t, long
> past. Hoping for a photo or two to back up your
> claim, otherwise, it's just the usual HotAir.
> It's a never-ending source of amazement that Todd
> hasn't banned you. I saw what Lance posted about
> your rants yesterday about the lashups followed by
> Mr Gibson's comments, HotPotato.
>
> We get some of the most outstanding steam
> contributions from folks like Wes Camp, and then
> we get your contributions, just a bunch of
> HotCrap.
>
> 2-10-2

2-10-2 Wrote:
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> Alrighty then! That's one vote FOR Jack. Do I hear
> a second?
> Let's start a poll!

Go home Ed, you're drunk.

I love Jack's stories even if at times the answers are short! Lol

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Go play on Twitter, you seem to be better suited for that site.

2-10-2 Wrote:
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> Alrighty then! That's one vote FOR Jack. Do I hear
> a second?
> Let's start a poll!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/01/20 01:42 by SP4360.

This appears to be a passenger train..........helpers would be positioned on the point.  If not the point, then on the rear....but never placed in the middle of the passenger train consist.  So far as I know, mid train helpers would be used only on freights.  If there was a mid train helper on this freight extra, then the number displayed in the indicators would be that of the point engine.

And a side note to express appreciation for all that our Hot Water does to contribute to these forums.

AA

Stanford White
Carmel Valley, CA