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Date: 09/14/20 04:11
Some Railroad's Had Names That Never Came True At All!
Author: LoggerHogger

Few people have heard of this shortline in Southern Oregon as very few photos were taken of her while she operated.

The California & Oregon Coast RR that started out of Grants Pass, OR in 1913. As the name implies, she was supposed to connect Grants Pass with Eureka, California on the Pacific Coast. However, like many shortlines, these grand plans did not come to pass. The line never made it past Waters Creek, OR some 15 miles from Grants Pass.

In this 1934 photo we see C&OC #301 in Grants Pass, Oregon.  She was built in 1910 for the Youngstown & Ohio River RR as their #1.  She was sold in 1919 to the Hetch-Hetchy Rr as their #3 and would work on building the O'Shaughnessy Damn.  She sat unused on the HHRR after the dam was completeed in 1925 until 1927 when she was sold the the C&OC to become their #301.

In 1942 the line was cut back to 14 miles and the railroad was purchased by the Portland Cement Company who continued to operate it until the early 1950's when the line was abandoned altogether.

Thus, she Never reached either of her namesakes, neither California or the Oregon Coast.

Martin



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/14/20 04:20 by LoggerHogger.




Date: 09/14/20 06:17
Re: Some Railroad's Had Names That Never Came True At All!
Author: colehour

Several railroads had rather grandiose names in retrospect. The Frisco is a good example. The Santa Fe reached its namesake city by a spur from the mainline, and neither Atchison nor Topeka ended up on its mainline, if I'm not mistaken. (They were located on through trackage, however.)

Then there was the New Jersey, Indiana, and Illinois, that had 11 miles of track from South Bend to Pine, Indiana. It was owned by Singer Sewing Machine Co. and used to connect to the Wabash at Pine. 



Date: 09/14/20 08:17
Re: Some Railroad's Had Names That Never Came True At All!
Author: LarryB

Well, if one really wants to get picky, WP never reached the Western Pacific (Japan) and SP never reached the South Pacific (Tahiti et al).



Date: 09/14/20 08:40
Re: Some Railroad's Had Names That Never Came True At All!
Author: MaryMcPherson

LarryB Wrote:
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> Well, if one really wants to get picky, WP never
> reached the Western Pacific (Japan) and SP never
> reached the South Pacific (Tahiti et al).

Tried, but the fires got dosed once they left the beach.  Engines ran out of steam fairly quickly at that point.

Mary McPherson
Dongola, IL
Diverging Clear Productions



Date: 09/14/20 10:18
Re: Some Railroad's Had Names That Never Came True At All!
Author: tomstp

Texas & Pacific chartered by congress to San Diego, Ca made it only to El Paso.



Date: 09/14/20 11:21
Re: Some Railroads Had Names That Never Came True At All!
Author: RuleG

The Pittsburgh & Lake Erie did not go to Lake Erie

The Duluth, South Shore & Atlantic never made it to the Atlantic Ocean.

Several railroads which had "Pacific" in their names were not built to the West Coast:

Butte, Anaconda & Pacific
Chicago, Rock Island & Pacific
Denver, South Park & Pacific
Quanah, Acme & Pacific
Wabash, St. Louis & Pacific

However, the prize for the most ambitious name would have to be the Kansas City, Mexico & Orient.  It came nowhere close to the Orient, but I love the name of its western most point - Topolobampo!



Date: 09/14/20 11:34
Re: Some Railroads Had Names That Never Came True At All!
Author: sagehen

The Hetch Hetchy and Yosemite Valley never went to either place.

Stan Praisewater



Date: 09/14/20 11:53
Re: Some Railroads Had Names That Never Came True At All!
Author: JDLX

Back to the original railroad Martin profiled, E.O. Gibson has a fascinating section of his WX4 (Dome O’ Foam) website devoted to the C&OC, plus the various railroads around Crescent City (California).

http://www.wx4.org/to/foam/shortlines/coc/coc.html

Very well worth checking out!

Thanks for the post!

Jeff Moore
Elko, NV

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Date: 09/14/20 13:39
Re: Some Railroads Had Names That Never Came True At All!
Author: njmidland

The New York, Susquehanna & Western only made it about 2000 feet west of the Susquehanna River, but then abandoning the line (Wilkes Barre & Eastern) in 1939.  Who would have guessed that they would acquire the former Lackawanna Syracuse and Utica Branches in 1982 and once again get west of the Susquehanna?



Date: 09/14/20 14:10
Re: Some Railroad's Had Names That Never Came True At All!
Author: wjpyper

LoggerHogger Wrote:
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> Few people have heard of this shortline in
> Southern Oregon as very few photos were taken of
> her while she operated.
>
> The California & Oregon Coast RR that started out
> of Grants Pass, OR in 1913. As the name implies,
> she was supposed to connect Grants Pass with
> Eureka, California on the Pacific Coast. However,
> like many shortlines, these grand plans did not
> come to pass. The line never made it past Waters
> Creek, OR some 15 miles from Grants Pass.
>
> Thus, she Never reached either of her namesakes,
> neither California or the Oregon Coast.
>
> Martin

Did it follow the route of present day highway 199?

Bill Pyper
 



Date: 09/14/20 22:38
Re: Some Railroad's Had Names That Never Came True At All!
Author: JDLX

wjpyper Wrote:

> Did it follow the route of present day highway
> 199?
>
> Bill Pyper

Bill, you can get some of your answer in the link I posted above.  In essence, this map shows the routes of the C&OC in red line, you can see how the railroad related to the route of Highway 199.  Briefly, the railroad was built from Grants Pass (upper right hand corner) to Wilderville in 1911-1914, then extended in 1916 to Waters Creek, the end of track just west of Wonder.  In 1923 the Beaver Portland Cement Company bought the railroad and constructed the branch running from just west of the Applegate River crossing south to Cheney Creek, where a tramway brought rock down from a quarry up on Marble Mountain.  The mainline from the connection with the branch west to Waters Creek fell out of use after 1924.  Beaver Portland Cement used the branch and remaining mainline to haul out limestone bound for the company's cement plant in Gold Hill, and around 1927 the C&OC started operating over the SP mainline so as to deliver the rock itself.  This operation lasted until the Applegate River bridge washed out in 1950, at which time the rock traffic shifted to trucks and the C&OC reduced its operations to switching a few customers located east of the former site of the bridge.  The last remnant of the operation ceased on 31 October 1954, then the Rogue River bridge washed out on Christmas Day 1955, and the railroad was formally abandoned on 26 November 1956. 

Jeff Moore
Elko, NV
 



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Date: 09/17/20 18:20
Re: Some Railroad's Had Names That Never Came True At All!
Author: Milwaukee

The Spokane Portland & Seattle never got anywhere near Seattle.



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