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Date: 05/03/21 03:34
Simpler Times Are Seen Here At This Depot In The Steam Era!
Author: LoggerHogger

Here is how the world used to look some 75 years ago.

The place is the Western Pacific depot at Marysville, California.  A WP freight has just arrived at the depot in time to see a small Sacramento Northern Birney car waiting to pick up her passengers from the station.  The Birney car is ready to take passengers around Marysville and nearby Yuba City.

Yes, simpler times indeed.

Martin



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 05/03/21 03:38 by LoggerHogger.




Date: 05/03/21 05:29
Re: Simpler Times Are Seen Here At This Depot In The Steam Era!
Author: refarkas

An historic gem - The Birney car adds so much to this scene.
Bob



Date: 05/03/21 07:09
Re: Simpler Times Are Seen Here At This Depot In The Steam Era!
Author: tomstp

The order board shows it has orders for the incoming train but there is no  one out there to hand them to the train crew.  Don't see a metal order stand either.  Strange.



Date: 05/03/21 07:29
Re: Simpler Times Are Seen Here At This Depot In The Steam Era!
Author: HotWater

tomstp Wrote:
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> The order board shows it has orders for the
> incoming train but there is no  one out there to
> hand them to the train crew.  Don't see a metal
> order stand either.  Strange.

Maybe it is a red trainorder board, which means the crew, both Engineer and Conductor must sign for them. Thus they will be stopping.



Date: 05/03/21 08:03
Re: Simpler Times Are Seen Here At This Depot In The Steam Era!
Author: zephyrus

Seen several diesel era shots showing similar scenes, but darn few steam era.  Awesome photo and location on the WP-SN.

Z



Date: 05/03/21 08:22
Re: orders
Author: timz

Yeah, guess the freight must be stopped?
WP order boards didn't have a must-stop
red aspect, did they?



Date: 05/03/21 11:10
Re: orders
Author: cewherry

timz Wrote:
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> Yeah, guess the freight must be stopped?
> WP order boards didn't have a must-stop
> red aspect, did they?

I haven't been able to find a WP rule book from the 1940's to answer your question about "...a must-stop red aspect..', however 
there is a reference on page 3 of WP Western Division employee timetable No. 33 that describes a situation at South Sacramento.
Specifically, the wording says: "...if signal is in stop position..." which leads to the conclusion their train order signals did display a red aspect
at the time of the photo. 

By 1972 WP's Operating Rules provided: "...a fixed signal must be provided at each train order office; when there are train orders to be
delivered , it must indicate "Stop" for the direction of train addressed; when there are no train orders, in must indicate "Proceed"..."

Charlie



Date: 05/03/21 11:38
Re: Simpler Times Are Seen Here At This Depot In The Steam Era!
Author: lynnpowell

I was unaware of SN streetcar operations in Marysville, other than coming across the Feather River bridge from Yuba City to the WP depot in Marysville.  What streets in Marysville did the streetcars operate on?



Date: 05/03/21 15:22
Re: Simpler Times Are Seen Here At This Depot In The Steam Era!
Author: wpamtk

That streetcar is on a railfan excursion on normally freight-only trackage. The normal streetcar route was to cross the bridge over the Feather River then pass under the WP to reach SN's own dowtown station. The interurban passenger trains did the same. SN trains going to or from Sacramento used the WP bridge over the Yuba River (behind the photographer), but passenger trains diverged and used street trackage to reach downtown Marysville while freight trains entered the WP siding to reach the track where the Birney is. 



Date: 05/03/21 23:55
Re: Simpler Times Are Seen Here At This Depot In The Steam Era!
Author: Evan_Werkema

wpamtk Wrote:

> That streetcar is on a railfan excursion on normally freight-only trackage.

This is probably one of many posed photos taken on the last day of SN's Yuba City - Marysville streetcar service, February 15, 1942.  The Western Railway Museum Archives database contains a number of references to photos taken of Birney 70 in Marysville that day, including catalog numbers 83180 and 129807 that describe the car posed on the connector near the Marysville station along with WP steam locomotive 309 on a freight. 

Simpler times?  It's easy to look back with rose colored glasses and read what we want to believe into a scene like this, but with the US just emerging from one calamity (The Great Depression) and just entering another (World War II), I'd guess the folks living through those times didn't think they were simple at all.  Just as this car wasn't on its regular run and waiting to pick up her passengers from the station (across live tracks with no platform or even a defined walkway?), things aren't always what they appear to be.



Date: 05/05/21 16:31
Re: Simpler Times Are Seen Here At This Depot In The Steam Era!
Author: jbwest

Probably a popular spot.  Here's what it looked like in April 1964 with the Cal Zephyr pulling in for its station stop.  And acros the river the electrics were still at work, but not for long.

JBWX






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