Steam & Excursion > On display CB&Q 4-6-4 3006 at Galesburg

Nov 1974
Donated by the Burlington to the city twelve years before, 3006 (built 1930) sits near the old CB&Q station.
Even though the old station is gone, 3006 remains.

Gary

 

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What a beautiful engine. I've heard it said on this forum a number of times that those CB&Q 4-6-4's were some real barkers.

Interesting that not a single one of NYC's much more famous Hudsons (out of a total of 275 locomotives counting subsidiaries B&A, MC and CCC&StL) was saved, yet 5 of CB&Q's 13 lesser known 4-6-4s are still with us.  In addition to the 3006 at Galesburg, the 3002/4000 is at LaCrosse WI, the 3003 is at Burlington IA, the 3007 is at IRM in Union IL, and here's the 3001 at Ottumwa IA on 12/22/2021.  Jeff Van Cleve photo, my collection.

mike woodruff
north platte ne 

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Well balanced engine and the elesco FWH really sets off the great look.

Too bad one of them wasn't a streamlined one with more BUDD fluting than anything else.

ATSFSuperCap Wrote:
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> Too bad one of them wasn't a streamlined one with
> more BUDD fluting than anything else.

The #4000 in LaCrosse, WI used to be

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Something about the looks of that 3006 that I like, but not so much the trailing truck.
Nice moody image gcm.



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If I remember right in Ron Ziels' "Twilight of Steam" he had mention of that and christened it "Big Aleous, the Goon" after the popeye cartoon.

Thanks for everybodys photos of these nice looking engines.   Glad to know that so many of them got saved.  With that many saved, It would seem there would be enough parts to put at least one good one together that could run again, someday.  Being a Milwaukee fan, I also wish a F-6, F-6a and F-7 4-6-4 would have been saved.  At the very least, there should be one NYC Hudson in the Smithsonian.   One plain original and one streamlined could have been saved.  Too bad the cheap skates on those two railroads wanted the steam, gone.  Didn't they only sell for 5 or 6K as scrap iron ?  What a loss.

Craig Hanson
Vay, Idaho

Here is the plate from CB&Q S-4 #3005.  It was sold for scrap in 4/1955.  I was elated to add this plate to my collection many years ago!!

Ron

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4000 was Big Alice the Goon.   One of the saved ones is an oil burner isn't it?  Roller bearings?

ATSFSuperCap Wrote:
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> Too bad one of them wasn't a streamlined one with
> more BUDD fluting than anything else.

As I was told, the stainless steel was removed sometime after
Pearl Harbor for the war effort.  Also, maybe not known, the
shop forces hated the "inverted bathtub" worn by the 4000 and
4001.  Doing most mechanical maintenance on running gear
was miserable.  Too bad one of the Hudsons has not been 
restored, but just where would it run?
SR2

Frisco1522 Wrote:
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> 4000 was Big Alice the Goon.   One of the saved
> ones is an oil burner isn't it?  Roller bearings?

That would be Big Alice herself. Modernized and streamlined, then de-streamlined and now on display in La Crosse Wisc. if I'm remembering this correctly...and if I'm not, wait for it.

Cheers, Dave



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The only oil burners were the 4002 & 4003. All 4000’s were roller throughout. All the rest were coal. And all were converted to roller bearing axles in roughly the mid ‘30s.
4002 would have made a great fan trip engine. There are reports (third hand) that the top speed was never known. There is a train sheet from East Dubuque of a Hudson departing with 105 cars. Mostly grain mty’s I’m sure.
Ron

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The CB&Q Hudsons looked best with all-black wheels--no white trim!

swaool Wrote:
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> Interesting that not a single one of NYC's much
> more famous Hudsons (out of a total of 275
> locomotives counting subsidiaries B&A, MC and
> CCC&StL) was saved, yet 5 of CB&Q's 13 lesser
> known 4-6-4s are still with us.  In addition to
> the 3006 at Galesburg, the 3002/4000 is at
> LaCrosse WI, the 3003 is at Burlington IA, the
> 3007 is at IRM in Union IL, and here's the 3001 at
> Ottumwa IA on 12/22/2021.  Jeff Van Cleve photo,
> my collection.
>
> mike woodruff
> north platte ne 

The difference between a prosperous financially sound railroad and a functional bankrupt one. Look at how many steamers from the little (but profitable) NKP got saved compared to the giant (but financially troubled) PRR got saved.

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junctiontower Wrote:
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> The difference between a prosperous financially
> sound railroad and a functional bankrupt one. Look
> at how many steamers from the little (but
> profitable) NKP got saved compared to the giant
> (but financially troubled) PRR got saved.

Exactly, and the Recession of 1958 did not help the preservation cause.

Frisco1522 Wrote:
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> 4000 was Big Alice the Goon.   One of the saved
> ones is an oil burner isn't it?  Roller bearings?

Several years ago when it was up in the air whether or not the 261 lease would be renewed (the "Friends..." ultimately bought it, IIRC), there were rumors swirling that Sandberg was looking at one of the CB&Q Hudsons or 4-8-4's to take its place. As nice of an engine as 261 is, a running Q engine of either wheel arrangement would be pretty boss.

NYC president Perlman is blamed for that. But according to one of his employees that accompanied him to the deadline at Collinwood, he was considering saving one that had originally been streamlined. But when he discoveed railfans had stripped it, he changed his mind. He was livid. If you do a search under my handle, you can find my thread about it. A friend of mine knew the employee who accompanied Perlman. To the best of my knowledge, the headlight/numberboard for that Hudson has not been found, though it was owned by someone in Florida some years ago.

Swaool Wrote:
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> Interesting that not a single one of NYC's much
> more famous Hudsons (out of a total of 275
> locomotives counting subsidiaries B&A, MC and
> CCC&StL) was saved, yet 5 of CB&Q's 13 lesser
> known 4-6-4s are still with us.  In addition to
> the 3006 at Galesburg, the 3002/4000 is at
> LaCrosse WI, the 3003 is at Burlington IA, the
> 3007 is at IRM in Union IL, and here's the 3001 at
> Ottumwa IA on 12/22/2021.  Jeff Van Cleve photo,
> my collection.
>
> mike woodruff
> north platte ne 

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