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Nostalgia & History > If your a Santa Fe PA fan you gotta have this!!Date: 05/02/07 20:13 If your a Santa Fe PA fan you gotta have this!! Author: roberthedgecock Or a PA fan in general Ive always wanted one of these though a little out of my price range Ebay item #330115654643
Date: 05/02/07 21:34 Re: If your a Santa Fe PA fan you gotta have this!! Author: brassmag Date: 05/02/07 22:28 Re: If your a Santa Fe PA fan you gotta have this!! Author: TopcoatSmith Interesting, name sounds somewhat familiar ....
TCS - ev Date: 05/02/07 23:59 Re: If your a Santa Fe PA fan you gotta have this!! Author: jackpot TopcoatSmith Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Interesting, name sounds somewhat familiar .... > > > TCS - ev That would be Alan Miller, I believe. Date: 05/03/07 07:17 Re: If your a Santa Fe PA fan you gotta have this!! Author: OliveHeights How does he know it is from a PA/PB if he doesn't know the number? These were on the FB units also. Still a neat item, I have a friend that bought one at the Santa Fe auction held in Topeka back in the 80's. BNSF also has one mounted on a piece of wood just outside the NOC.
Date: 05/03/07 07:24 Re: If your a Santa Fe PA fan you gotta have this!! Author: Coolidge Anybody out there know if the Indian Head logos on the PA/PBs were the identical size as those on the passenger B units? That might be one way to tell if this one is from an Alco.
Date: 05/03/07 07:50 Re: If your a Santa Fe PA fan you gotta have this!! Author: Pullman Hmmm, I'll have to tell a friend who has one of the Alco PA builder's plate still covered in red paint.
Date: 05/03/07 08:50 Re: If your a Santa Fe PA fan you gotta have this!! Author: roberthedgecock I understand there was a size difference between the PA and E unit emblems not sure of the specifics
Date: 05/03/07 08:52 Re: If your a Santa Fe PA fan you gotta have this!! Author: roberthedgecock Pullman Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Hmmm, I'll have to tell a friend who has one of > the Alco PA builder's plate still covered in red > paint. One of those went a while back on Ebay for around $3000 Date: 05/03/07 10:19 Re: If your a Santa Fe PA fan you gotta have this!! Author: JohnSweetser OliveHeights wrote:
> BNSF also has one mounted on a piece of wood just outside the NOC. What's the NOC? Date: 05/03/07 11:00 Re: If your a Santa Fe PA fan you gotta have this!! Author: bnsfjth Network Operations Center, in Ft. Worth. It is BNSF's dispatching center on the headquarters campus.
-Justin Date: 05/03/07 11:37 Re: If your a Santa Fe PA fan you gotta have this!! Author: Gateway97 A truly evocative piece of art from a classic era.
Date: 05/03/07 16:02 Re: If your a Santa Fe PA fan you gotta have this!! Author: Coolidge roberthedgecock Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > I understand there was a size difference between > the PA and E unit emblems not sure of the > specifics Without doing a lot of digging into actual numbers of units, the Santa Fe had many more passenger F units than E units. The actual number of these Indian Head logos on Santa Fe diesel locomotives were predominately on the passenger B units. The A (F3 or F7 units) never had them. That is the reason for my original question about size. The PAs were adorned with them and had more length that the EMD passenger F units. In fact, if I recall, none of the EMD F3A or F7A units were equipped with steam generators. I only mention this because of the possible length issue. Only the B units had them. So, does anybody have the true answer instead of a bunch of guessing? Where are the real Santa Fe historians when you need them? Date: 05/03/07 19:31 Re: If your a Santa Fe PA fan you gotta have this!! Author: africansteam Coolidge Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- So, does anybody have the > true answer instead of a bunch of guessing? Where > are the real Santa Fe historians when you need > them? Allan Miller has been collecting since God was a pup. Unlike most of us, he had the resources to acquire items at a time when the majority of us were, if you will, were "unclear on the concept". I feel confident that if he says this piece came from a PA it most likely did. Also, note that the auction description states PA/PB. Now, if I were shot in the as. . . (read posterior) with diamonds, I would be bidding on this piece. As luck would have it, I'm not. Damn! Cheers, Jack Date: 05/03/07 20:36 Re: If your a Santa Fe PA fan you gotta have this!! Author: HUSKERHERB IIRC, the Santa Fe Indian Head Heralds were not "mounted" on F3/F7 B-Units as a plate, they were stenciled onto the stainless directly.
Date: 05/03/07 21:48 Re: If your a Santa Fe PA fan you gotta have this!! Author: davew833 Doyle McCormack's had a change of heart and is bidding this on up, right???
Date: 05/05/07 18:42 Re: If your a Santa Fe PA fan you gotta have this!! Author: Wildebeest >The
> PAs were adorned with them and had more length > that the EMD passenger F units. My 1953 Santa Fe Plan Book shows the Indian head for F7 boosters as about 6'-0", while the one on the PA/B is about 7'-0". Not sure how accurate this is. > As I recall, none of the EMD F3A or F7A units were > equipped with steam generators. That is correct. And the A units also did not have Indian heads. >I only mention this because of the possible length issue. Only > the B units had them. So, does anybody have the > true answer instead of a bunch of guessing? Where > are the real Santa Fe historians when you need > them? The Santa Fe had approximately 154 F7 boosters vs. 27 PAs and 15 PBs, all of which carried the Indian head shield. The 1 and 1A, the early E-units (2 & 11 classes) and the FMs (90) also had them. The E8ms rebuilt from the 1 and 2 classes did not. (ref. Worley, "Iron Horses of the Santa Fe Trail," 1965.) D F W Date: 05/05/07 19:42 Re: If your a Santa Fe PA fan you gotta have this!! Author: PERichardson This plate originally came from a collector who bought quite a few at Pielet Bros when they were scrapping the PA/PBs that came into to EMD in trade for SD39s and other units. The F3/F7 B units had smaller versions stencilled onto the units and most, if not all of these, ended up at Cleburne for the CF7 program. So....being 7 feet long and coming from Pielet, it is most likely from an Alco.
Date: 05/06/07 05:07 Re: If your a Santa Fe PA fan you gotta have this!! Author: Coolidge masterphots Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- The F3/F7 B units had smaller versions stencilled onto the > units and most, if not all of these, ended up at > Cleburne for the CF7 program. So....being 7 feet > long and coming from Pielet, it is most likely > from an Alco. Perhaps the one in question is from an Alco. However, as Wildebeest said above, <The Santa Fe had approximately 154 F7 boosters vs. 27 PAs and 15 PBs, all of which carried the Indian head shield. The 1 and 1A, the early E-units (2 & 11 classes) and the FMs (90) also had them. The E8ms rebuilt from the 1 and 2 classes did not. (ref. Worley, "Iron Horses of the Santa Fe Trail," 1965.)> the fact remains that the F3 and F7 B-units indeed had metal heralds, NOT stencils. The outstanding question still remains, are the dimensions equal to or smaller than those on Alcos? Date: 05/06/07 07:53 Re: If your a Santa Fe PA fan you gotta have this!! Author: HUSKERHERB Coolidge Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > masterphots Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > The F3/F7 B units had smaller versions > stencilled onto the > > units and most, if not all of these, ended up > at > > Cleburne for the CF7 program. So....being 7 > feet > > long and coming from Pielet, it is most likely > > from an Alco. > > Perhaps the one in question is from an Alco. > However, as Wildebeest said above, > > > > the fact remains that the F3 and F7 B-units indeed > had metal heralds, NOT stencils. The outstanding > question still remains, are the dimensions equal > to or smaller than those on Alcos? There is too much photographic evidence to support the discussion regarding the use of pressure-sensitive "decals" or "stencils" on the F3B/F7B units in question and so far none supporting "metal" heralds. Where is this factual information coming from to support the use of metal heralds? |