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Date: 07/10/19 14:36
More Santa Fe Stainless Photos -- Bill Howes
Author: MartyBernard

1. Santa Fe's Grand Canyon west of Raton, NM on July 12, 1864.

2. The Chief at Dodge City, KS on July 16, 1964.

3. Santa Fe Clown who boarded the Grand Canyon to entertain kids, Albuquerque, NM on July 12, 1964.








Date: 07/10/19 14:36
Re: More Santa Fe Stainless Photos -- Bill Howes
Author: MartyBernard

4. The Grand Canyon entering the 1/2 mile long Raton Tunnel, NM on July 12, 1964.

5. Santa Fe's Super Chief (1st Train 17), the Office Car on rear being washed by the modified fork lift.   The clown is to the right.  That's Train 24 on left at Albuquerque, NM on August 19, 1969.


Thanks Bill,
Marty Bernard



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Date: 07/10/19 14:57
Re: More Santa Fe Stainless Photos -- Bill Howes
Author: AmHog

That modified forklift looks like the same contration that washed the windows when I traveled on the Chief in the early 90's



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Date: 07/10/19 15:34
Re: More Santa Fe Stainless Photos -- Bill Howes
Author: andersonb109

Did the guy in the clown suit go on to become Amtrak's current President? 



Date: 07/10/19 15:54
Re: More Santa Fe Stainless Photos -- Bill Howes
Author: raytc1944

You're partially right.  The clown went to Delta Airlines before Amtrak.



Date: 07/10/19 16:14
Re: More Santa Fe Stainless Photos -- Bill Howes
Author: MartyBernard

When I posted that I knew someone would make that analogy.  Thanks guys.

Marty



Date: 07/10/19 17:54
Re: More Santa Fe Stainless Photos -- Bill Howes
Author: cabsignaldrop

That clown looks TERRIFYING.  Thanks for the nightmare fuel.  Otherwise, great photos!



Date: 07/10/19 18:17
Re: More Santa Fe Stainless Photos -- Bill Howes
Author: Railpax71

Wow, they ran heavyweights and a few stainless in 1864.  Actualy I am surprised how well those old cars rode in 1964. 



Date: 07/10/19 18:22
Re: More Santa Fe Stainless Photos -- Bill Howes
Author: dan

thanks bill & marty



Date: 07/11/19 02:30
Re: More Santa Fe Stainless Photos -- Bill Howes
Author: Evan_Werkema

MartyBernard Wrote:

> 5. Santa Fe's Super Chief (1st Train 17), the
> Office Car on rear being washed by the modified
> fork lift.   

Best guess is that's business car 38 on the rear, assigned to the General Manager - Coast Lines.  The bends in the rooftop antenna match.  This car was later renumbered 58, sold the the Arizona & California, and is now at the Western America Railroad Museum in Barstow, CA.  At some point around 1990, the old Yale forklift carrying the washing mechanism was changed for a newer model.



Date: 07/11/19 04:27
Re: More Santa Fe Stainless Photos -- Bill Howes
Author: CA_Sou_MA_Agent

So when they used to run trains 17 and 18 in two sections, I assume the second section would flag up behind the first section at Albuquerque and wait its turn for fueling and servicing.  Then it would have to play "catch up" as the first section sprinted ahead at the posted departure time.  That might have been challenging for the second section to come up behind the first section and start seeing yellow block signals.  



Date: 07/11/19 07:57
Re: More Santa Fe Stainless Photos -- Bill Howes
Author: ntharalson

CA_Sou_MA_Agent Wrote:
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> So when they used to run trains 17 and 18 in two
> sections, I assume the second section would flag
> up behind the first section at Albuquerque and
> wait its turn for fueling and servicing.  Then it
> would have to play "catch up" as the first section
> sprinted ahead at the posted departure time. 
> That might have been challenging for the second
> section to come up behind the first section and
> start seeing yellow block signals.  

I would think there was enough trackage in Albuquerque to allow both trains in the depot to be serviced at the same time.  
However, that's mere speculation on my part.  

Nick Tharalson,
Marion, IA



Date: 07/11/19 18:17
Re: More Santa Fe Stainless Photos -- Bill Howes
Author: mp51w

Evan_Werkema Wrote:
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> MartyBernard Wrote:
>
> > 5. Santa Fe's Super Chief (1st Train 17), the
> > Office Car on rear being washed by the modified
> > fork lift.   
>
> Best guess is that's business car 38 on the rear,
> assigned to the General Manager - Coast Lines. 
> The bends in the rooftop antenna match.  This car
> was later renumbered 58, sold the the Arizona &
> California, and is now at the Western America
> Railroad Museum in Barstow, CA.  At some point
> around 1990, the old Yale forklift carrying the
> washing mechanism was changed for a newer model.

IDK Evan, You are the man, but I think it is the #37 car.
I see in the SWFRH&MS book it shows the #38 with the slight bend in the rooftop antenna on the #38.  You're right!



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Date: 07/12/19 18:19
Re: More Santa Fe Stainless Photos -- Bill Howes
Author: mundo

Santa Fe used two track in later years, before that had a couple more major station tracks, plus some passenger storage tracks east of the running tracks.

San Bernardino,  Barstow,  Winslow, La Junta  were among  other stations that could handle  multi trains at once,
Just remember in the 60's, would see three sections of the El Cap-Super, during Holiday periods, and in the 50's, 3 & four sections of the "Grand Canyon" were normal west of ABQ/Belen, witht trains arrival
Los Angeles on Wednesday mornings, have FIVE sections, which included the weekley tour train that operated via Grand Canyon National Park.

Dave, to bad, you were not able to see this action, as I was able to observe in Corona.  Took a lot of Green Flags!.



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