Nostalgia & History > TP&W Thursday

 A few TP&W photos taken in early 1983 at East Peoria, Illinois.....

1. GP38-2 2007

2. GP38-2 2008

3. Caboose 732

4. At the turntable

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The TP&W in East Peoria was a good place to railfan as your photos show.
Bob

Thanks for the look back! I had no idea the TP&W stole/borrowed/acquired any Santa Fe waycars. Pretty slick the way they just erased the "999" to renumber the car...

Lance/199

Very nice TP&W shots.  Like their paint scheme.  TP&W photos seldom show up on TO.
Thanks for the interesting photo post.
ALLEN

More good stuff from your files.  Parent Santa Fe wasn't very appreciative of the TP&W's use of the Santa Fe font, which you can see in your photos.  I had a friend who was working for the TP&W then who told me they were really angry and told the railroad to stop it, immediately.

santafe199 Wrote:

> Thanks for the look back! I had no idea the TP&W
> stole/borrowed/acquired any Santa Fe waycars.

According to Santa Fe Motive Power, TP&W leased eight Ce-8 class extended-vision Santa Fe cabooses in May 1982 in order to avoid having to re-equip most of their existing fleet with FRA-compliant, shatter-resistant glazing.  They painted out the 999 and added TP&W initials to the Santa Fe cars during the lease.  TP&W returned those eight cars and leased a different group of eight Ce-8's in March 1983, which were similarly relettered and renumbered.   Those cars stayed on TP&W until the shortline was fully-absorbed by Santa Fe at the end of 1983.

WrongMain Wrote:

> Parent Santa Fe
> wasn't very appreciative of the TP&W's use of the
> Santa Fe font, which you can see in your photos.
>  I had a friend who was working for the TP&W then
> who told me they were really angry and told the
> railroad to stop it, immediately.

It wasn't the use of the typeface that Santa Fe objected to.  The problem was that at the same time (1981), TP&W began applying a modified version of Santa Fe's circle-cross emblem with TP&W initials inside:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irvinle1/10337007206/in/photostream/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/irvinle1/10337002766/in/photostream/
https://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?11,1852973
http://rr-fallenflags.org/tpw/tpw401jsb.jpg
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1993572
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/171273/
http://rr-fallenflags.org/tpw/tpw-c501agb.jpg
http://rr-fallenflags.org/tpw/tpw-c529aga.jpg

Santa Fe hadn't authorized the modified herald and ordered its subsidiary to cease and desist.  TP&W removed the offending heralds, but would continue using the Cooper Black-style typeface for lettering for the next two years, until the road finally vanished into its blue and yellow parent.  For what it's worth, Santa Fe's "billboard" lettering is similar but not identical to Cooper Black.