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Nostalgia & History > SFZ on the BurlingtonDate: 09/15/20 08:09 SFZ on the Burlington Author: gcm March 77
The San Francisco Zephyr is westbound just east of Denver on the BN (CB&Q) after its all night run from Chicago. Looks like a buffer car ? after the engines. A rescan. Gary Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/15/20 08:09 by gcm. Date: 09/15/20 08:15 Re: SFZ on the Burlington Author: WAF Yes, its a buffer car. The year is early 1977 and Amtrak did this to help with derailments of its locomotives
Date: 09/15/20 08:39 Re: SFZ on the Burlington Author: refarkas Beautiful. They certainly placed the pole line perfectly.
Bob Date: 09/15/20 08:58 Re: SFZ on the Burlington Author: dwatry Lots of crazy angles going on in that photo! Nice shot!
Date: 09/15/20 09:42 Re: SFZ on the Burlington Author: RodneyZona Old BN RR McCook, NE based passenger train and engine crews worked to and from Denver. Denver based engine crews worked to and from Akron, CO.
Date: 09/15/20 09:50 Re: SFZ on the Burlington Author: dan I-76 is brand new
Date: 09/15/20 11:37 Re: SFZ on the Burlington Author: trainjunkie I rode the SFZ from Salt Lake City (connecting from the Desert Wind out of LA) all the way to Chicago in 1982. The ride was fantastic until we got on the BN. You could hardly eat in the diner wthout holding onto your dinner plate and coffee cup. The wait staff seemed amused at the scene but they were clerly used to it. It must have been their regular evening entertainment. Great experience though, I wouldn't trade it for the world. When I returned to LA from Chicago I went via the Southwest Limited on the Santa Fe. MUCH better ride.
Date: 09/15/20 12:12 Re: SFZ on the Burlington Author: PHall trainjunkie Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > I rode the SFZ from Salt Lake City (connecting > from the Desert Wind out of LA) all the way to > Chicago in 1982. The ride was fantastic until we > got on the BN. You could hardly eat in the diner > wthout holding onto your dinner plate and coffee > cup. The wait staff seemed amused at the scene but > they were clerly used to it. It must have been > their regular evening entertainment. Great > experience though, I wouldn't trade it for the > world. When I returned to LA from Chicago I went > via the Southwest Limited on the Santa Fe. MUCH > better ride. And which railroad had problems with the SDP40F's? Makes you wonder... Date: 09/15/20 12:53 Re: SFZ on the Burlington Author: WAF PHall Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > trainjunkie Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I rode the SFZ from Salt Lake City (connecting > > from the Desert Wind out of LA) all the way to > > Chicago in 1982. The ride was fantastic until > we > > got on the BN. You could hardly eat in the > diner > > wthout holding onto your dinner plate and > coffee > > cup. The wait staff seemed amused at the scene > but > > they were clerly used to it. It must have been > > their regular evening entertainment. Great > > experience though, I wouldn't trade it for the > > world. When I returned to LA from Chicago I > went > > via the Southwest Limited on the Santa Fe. MUCH > > better ride. > > And which railroad had problems with the > SDP40F's? Makes you wonder... BN. SP followed with 50 MPH slow orders on curves greater than 3 degrees Date: 09/15/20 13:47 Re: SFZ on the Burlington Author: Hou74-76 > And which railroad had problems with the
> SDP40F's? Makes you wonder... Gary, it is a great photo. The landscape matches the consist, flat and rolling. As to the railroad problems, yes it does make me wonder, was it really the track that affected those engines? I know the few times I rode in the SD40PFs over the Santa Fe Southern Div. at speed (between Rosenberg & Cleburne) they felt like a cart full of lead on a roller coaster. The engineers seemed nonplussed about it, perhaps because they had just gotten used to it. But I wonder how much of the luck we had was just that - LUCK. And we always topped off the water tanks before the train left Houston. After all the forensics about those derailments and design came out I still think, luck was factor. Thanks for posting this. Date: 09/15/20 16:17 Re: SFZ on the Burlington Author: WAF It was said the water tanks were located at the top of the engine room that affected the balance of the locomotive on curves with water sloshing around. Certainly the type of truck they rode on was suspect as late model EMDs SD40-2 and SD45T-2 had these in common
Date: 09/15/20 17:33 Re: SFZ on the Burlington Author: HotWater WAF Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > It was said the water tanks were located at the > top of the engine room that affected the balance > of the locomotive on curves with water sloshing > around. Not true, as the auxiliary boiler water supply tank was mounted directly on the underframe, in the rear of the engine room. There were shut-off valves so that on those railroads not wanting the extra weight, the auxiliary boiler water supply tank (inside the engine room) would NOT fill when taking on water. Certainly the type of truck they rode on > was suspect as late model EMDs SD40-2 and SD45T-2 > had these in common Just what would have been "suspect" with the HT-C 3 axle truck???? The whole problem eventually proved-out to be CRAPPY TRACK!!! The Santa Fe NEVER had any issues with the SDP40F units, even at speeds to 100 MPH. Date: 09/15/20 19:15 Re: SFZ on the Burlington Author: chakk WAF Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Yes, its a buffer car. The year is early 1977 and > Amtrak did this to help with derailments of its > locomotives How does this car help prevent derailments? Wouldn't the regular baggage car do the same? Date: 09/15/20 19:23 Re: SFZ on the Burlington Author: WAF That and the baggage and probably the dorm will come off and the rest stay on the track
Date: 09/15/20 19:30 Re: SFZ on the Burlington Author: UP951West Gary, that's a classic slide ! Thanks for sharing. --Kelly
Date: 09/16/20 00:29 Re: SFZ on the Burlington Author: dan UP and SF didn't have problems with the big brutes
Date: 09/17/20 00:40 Re: SFZ on the Burlington Author: Evan_Werkema chakk Wrote:
> How does this car help prevent derailments? > Wouldn't the regular baggage car do the same? One of the many theories advanced to explain the SDP40F-related derailments were unfavorable dynamic interactions between the final SDP40F and the well-worn "heritage" baggage car behind it on curves at speed, resulting in one or the other derailing. The non-baggage "buffer car" weighed more than a baggage, and it was hoped that that would result in things staying on the tracks better. There have been so many theories and "now the real story can be told..." articles about the SDP40F's over the years that, even if one root cause was finally identified, it will never be accepted as definitive. The SDP40F's were derailed by a second shooter on the grassy knoll... Date: 10/03/20 18:26 Re: SFZ on the Burlington Author: MEKoch five coaches in March!!
Date: 10/03/20 18:59 Re: SFZ on the Burlington Author: texchief1 Excellent shot, Gary!
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