Canadian Railroads > Laggan Sub - Feb 10

14:20 MT

Westbound slowing for a diverging signal at Canmore East.

Lots of new lease hoppers



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/10/19 17:50 by KickingHorse.

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466 axles / 2+1+0

466 sounds like a grain train but this one's got tankers on the tail.

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14:35 MT

And then the eastbound 

460 axles / 1+1+0

 

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15:30 MT = time for something good

Eastbound 112 at Canmore East

 

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A very colorful 420 axles / 2+1+1

 

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Great pictures. When was the line reopened?

Thanks. Late Wednesday.

 

I'm trying to figure out a visual way of determining which intermodal trains are the Montreal one's (112/113) and the Toronto one's (101/102).  Is it a safe bet that the Montreal trains have a lot more marine containers where the Toronto one's have more domestic intermodal?

Are there any accident pictures of the lead locomotive and cars that went over the bridge and down 60 meters into the Kicking Horse River?

spwolfmtn Wrote:
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> I'm trying to figure out a visual way of
> determining which intermodal trains are the
> Montreal one's (112/113) and the Toronto one's
> (101/102). 

The eastbound Toronto train is 100 not 102. On the Discovery Channel's 'Rocky Mountain Railroad', in one episode the engineer on 100 says,"This is CP's hottest train on the whole system!"

The one way I know for sure is the radio chatter. Along with the MOW foremen wanting some track time, the Exhsaw switcher also has to request mainline track time to get to Baymag and/or Gap and then also for the return. Quite often the RTC will answer with something like, "Yes once 112 has gone by". Otherwise, at least with the intermodals I go by time of day. Unless they are way off schedule for some reason, it seems to work out. eg. 101 normally comes by around 07:00-07:30.  Even if I see a westbound intermodal later in the morning it's probably still a 101 (running late) because 113 doesn't normally come by until mid-afternoon.

> Is it a safe bet that the Montreal
> trains have a lot more marine containers where the
> Toronto one's have more domestic intermodal?

Nope. The marine containers we see mostly travel the Pacific Ocean. The Port of Vancouver processes far more containers than the Port of Montreal. Trade with the Pacific Rim is greater than trade with Europe. If anything I would suspect that 100 might have more than 112 - Chinese junk to Toronto.

KickingHorse Wrote:
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> spwolfmtn Wrote:
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> > I'm trying to figure out a visual way of
> > determining which intermodal trains are the
> > Montreal one's (112/113) and the Toronto one's
> > (101/102). 
>
> The eastbound Toronto train is 100 not 102. On the
> Discovery Channel's 'Rocky Mountain Railroad', in
> one episode the engineer on 100 says,"This is CP's
> hottest train on the whole system!"
>
> The one way I know for sure is the radio chatter.
> Along with the MOW foremen wanting some track
> time, the Exhsaw switcher also has to request
> mainline track time to get to Baymag and/or Gap
> and then also for the return. Quite often the RTC
> will answer with something like, "Yes once 112 has
> gone by". Otherwise, at least with the intermodals
> I go by time of day. Unless they are way off
> schedule for some reason, it seems to work out.
> eg. 101 normally comes by around 07:00-07:30. 
> Even if I see a westbound intermodal later in the
> morning it's probably still a 101 (running late)
> because 113 doesn't normally come by until
> mid-afternoon.
>
> > Is it a safe bet that the Montreal
> > trains have a lot more marine containers where
> the
> > Toronto one's have more domestic intermodal?
>
> Nope. The marine containers we see mostly travel
> the Pacific Ocean. The Port of Vancouver processes
> far more containers than the Port of Montreal.
> Trade with the Pacific Rim is greater than trade
> with Europe. If anything I would suspect that 100
> might have more than 112 - Chinese junk to
> Toronto.

Whoops, yeah, I meant #100.  I remember when EHH took over, he wanted 100/101 to be the main "hotshots".

As for the marine containers, yes, I realize the containers travel to/from Port of Vancouver or Roberts Bank on the west coast.  However, I was thinking that the Montreal trains (112/113) would have more marine containers because maybe some of those are being bridged between the two ports?  With Toronto being a more industrialized/warehouse/distribution center (oops, centre LOL), I was guessing that would mean more domestic containers going to or from there...

spwolfmtn Wrote:
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> As for the marine containers, yes, I realize the
> containers travel to/from Port of Vancouver or
> Roberts Bank on the west coast.  However, I was
> thinking that the Montreal trains (112/113) would
> have more marine containers because maybe some of
> those are being bridged between the two ports? 

I doubt there's much of that if any. Chinese junk destined for Europe rides its own boat the whole way.

> With Toronto being a more
> industrialized/warehouse/distribution center
> (oops, centre LOL), I was guessing that would mean
> more domestic containers going to or from there...

Say a container full of TVs gets off the boat in Vancouver. Most of those TVs are destined to be sold in southern Ontario. They don't take that container off the boat and remove 30 TVs for Vancouver, put it on a train, then take it off in Calgary and remove another 20 for the prairies, etc. The whole container goes to Toronto and then what's not needed for southern Ontario goes elsewhere in domestic containers. Some of that reload stuff probably happens in Vancouver itself as well but Toronto would be the main place for sure.

The reason all 3 pairs have more power on the eastbounds than they do on the westbound countepart is the marine containers are loaded going east and empty going west.

KickingHorse Wrote:
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> spwolfmtn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > As for the marine containers, yes, I realize
> the
> > containers travel to/from Port of Vancouver or
> > Roberts Bank on the west coast.  However, I
> was
> > thinking that the Montreal trains (112/113)
> would
> > have more marine containers because maybe some
> of
> > those are being bridged between the two
> ports? 
>
> I doubt there's much of that if any. Chinese junk
> destined for Europe rides its own boat the whole
> way.
>
> > With Toronto being a more
> > industrialized/warehouse/distribution center
> > (oops, centre LOL), I was guessing that would
> mean
> > more domestic containers going to or from
> there...
>
> Say a container full of TVs gets off the boat in
> Vancouver. Most of those TVs are destined to be
> sold in southern Ontario. They don't take that
> container off the boat and remove 30 TVs for
> Vancouver, put it on a train, then take it off in
> Calgary and remove another 20 for the prairies,
> etc. The whole container goes to Toronto and then
> what's not needed for southern Ontario goes
> elsewhere in domestic containers. Some of that
> reload stuff probably happens in Vancouver itself
> as well but Toronto would be the main place for
> sure.

However, here in the states, more and more marine containers are getting unloaded at the west coast ports to sorting warehouses there.  Then, the "products" are reloaded into larger domestic containers to their final destinations.  There's been a lot of talk about this on here on the Western board.  I would suspect that would mean more domestic containers going to the higher population, and larger distribution centers in the Toronto area if this sort of thing is taking hold in the Vancouver area...