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Date: 11/28/19 12:21
CP 9538 fatal runaway on the Spiral Tunnels section east of Field
Author: GN1969

1) Have any photographs been shared of the CP 5938 locomotive wreckage? It was the lead unit on the fatal runaway on the Spiral Tunnels section east of Field on February 4th, 2019.
2) When will the official accident report be released?
  



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/29/19 12:06 by GN1969.



Date: 11/28/19 14:48
Re: CP 9538 fatal runaway on the Spiral Tunnels section east of F
Author: railsmith

GN1969 Wrote:
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> 1) Have any photographs been shared of the CP 5938
> locomotive wreckage. It was the lead unit on the
> fatal runaway on the Spiral Tunnels section east
> of Field on February 4th, 2019.
> 2) When will the official accident report be
> released?

(2)  Here's a guideline. On June 29, 2006, there was a fatal runaway on the former BC Rail mainline. Two men were killed. The TSB investigation was very thorough and its report was released on May 28, 2009, so it took one month short of three years.

On that basis, I'd say check back in early 2022.



Date: 11/29/19 11:49
Re: CP 9538 fatal runaway on the Spiral Tunnels section east of F
Author: PlyWoody

The TSB immediately gave a reason why the train had no air brakes as they told everyone that the air brake control handle was left in emergency position when the inbound crew left the train. That means the train line is a zero pressure and after 2 or 3 hours the remaining air in the entire train bled off. When the outbound crew move the brake handle away from emergency position, it released what few brake shoes were held against any wheel, and they had an immediate run away. Too bad they did not jump off at that moment.
The remaining question is why the inbound crew did not apply any hand brakes on the train and charged the brake line back up.  Just as if the crew had a beef with the management as they were outlawed on time.  The inbound crew should be charged for murder of the replacement crew. 



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/29/19 11:55 by PlyWoody.



Date: 11/29/19 15:20
Re: CP 9538 fatal runaway on the Spiral Tunnels section east of F
Author: Locotrol2

PlyWoody Wrote:
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> Just as if the crew had a beef with the management as they
> were outlawed on time.  The inbound crew should
> be charged for murder of the replacement crew. 

I know and trained the inbound engineer, as well I knew the engineer that lost his life, when I worked Field Hill during my career at CP Rail. So before you go spouting off, do us all a favour before you type your next message and think of something constructive to submit to this group, instead of something stupid. 

Locotrol2 



Date: 11/29/19 16:25
Re: CP 9538 fatal runaway on the Spiral Tunnels section east of F
Author: 4489

Locotrol2 Wrote:
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> PlyWoody Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Just as if the crew had a beef with the
> management as they
> > were outlawed on time.  The inbound crew
> should
> > be charged for murder of the replacement
> crew. 
>
> I know and trained the inbound engineer, as well I
> knew the engineer that lost his life, when I
> worked Field Hill during my career at CP Rail. So
> before you go spouting off, do us all a favour
> before you type your next message and think of
> something constructive to submit to this group,
> instead of something stupid. 
>
> Locotrol2 

Perfectly said!!!!  Thanks!!!



Date: 11/29/19 17:49
Re: CP 9538 fatal runaway on the Spiral Tunnels section east of F
Author: CA_Sou_MA_Agent

GN1969 Wrote:
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> 1) Have any photographs been shared of the CP 5938 locomotive wreckage? It was the lead unit on the fatal runaway on the Spiral Tunnels section east of Field on February 4th, 2019.


I see that you asked this same question three days after the derailment.  Wait for the report.  Hopefully it will be photo-illustrated to your satisfaction.     

Date: 02/07/19 10:08
Re: Fatal runaway on CP east of Field
Author: GN1969 

Do we have a picture of the derailment area involving the lead locomotive?
 



Date: 11/29/19 20:02
Re: CP 9538 fatal runaway on the Spiral Tunnels section east of F
Author: cn6218

Link to the TSB update for this occurence:

http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/enquetes-investigations/rail/2019/R19C0015/R19C0015.html

The update mentions a typical time of 600 days for reports of this complexity.

GTD



Date: 11/30/19 08:18
Re: CP 9538 fatal runaway on the Spiral Tunnels section east of F
Author: GN1969

Are CP constructing a new siding between Stephen and the Upper Spiral Tunnel?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/30/19 08:21 by GN1969.



Date: 11/30/19 10:00
Re: CP 9538 fatal runaway on the Spiral Tunnels section east of F
Author: eminence_grise

GN1969 Wrote:
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> Are CP constructing a new siding between Stephen
> and the Upper Spiral Tunnel?

From other forums, track changes started to be made earlier in 2019. It appears the grade seperated double track west of Lake Louise to Stephen is being extended westward to the Highway 1A grade crossing.



Date: 11/30/19 21:00
Re: CP 9538 fatal runaway on the Spiral Tunnels section east of F
Author: Locotrol2

Phil, I know back in the 2005 "West Cap" drawings, there was plans to extend double track from Stephen to the old west switch at Hector (Ressurection Curve). I wonder if they'll consider coming that far......

Locotrol2

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Date: 12/01/19 13:51
Re: CP 9538 fatal runaway on the Spiral Tunnels section east of F
Author: eminence_grise

Locotrol2 Wrote:
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> Phil, I know back in the 2005 "West Cap" drawings,
> there was plans to extend double track from
> Stephen to the old west switch at Hector
> (Ressurection Curve). I wonder if they'll consider
> coming that far......
>
> Locotrol2
>
> Posted from Android

People on the steel gang were making changes, like taking out the crossover at Divide. They were talking about creating "staging" tracks. As of late summer the plan seemed to be to continue the double track to the Highway 1a-Lake O'Hara crossing.  Big changes planned for Field east, some of the ties laid out.  



Date: 12/01/19 14:13
Re: CP 9538 fatal runaway on the Spiral Tunnels section east of F
Author: Locotrol2

Sounds like a trip, south and west, is warranted.......

Thanks for the update.

Locotrol2

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Date: 12/07/19 11:14
Re: CP 9538 fatal runaway on the Spiral Tunnels section east of F
Author: trainjunkie

PlyWoody Wrote:
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> The inbound crew should
> be charged for murder of the replacement crew. 

What is wrong with you?



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