Canadian Railroads > A washout a day keeps the trains away...

Meanwhile, btw mi 7-8 Yale Sub.

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That looks problematic.

      And WHERE is the Yale Sub on what railroad ?

dcfbalcoS1 Wrote:
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Only one Yale Sub in Canada -- on CN, in British Columbia.

Interesting to see these photos, I spent a few days in Yale having my gas tank repaired, after I hit ( of all things ) a rock slide a few years ago. I could tell the CN was over there somewhere but it's pretty tough to actually see it.

dcfbalcoS1 Wrote:
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>       And WHERE is the Yale Sub on what
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Just upriver from Vancouver BC, not far from the border. The CN and CP follow the Fraser River, then the Thompson River, very awesome.

dcfbalcoS1 Wrote:
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If you were actually curious you'd spend the 10 seconds it takes to look it up. But you're not curious, you just search the threads for things to bitch about.
- L.F.

loleta Wrote:
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> If you were actually curious you'd spend the 10
> seconds it takes to look it up. But you're not
> curious, you just search the threads for things to
> bitch about.

If a poster is serious about people reading their thread and taking an interest then it's the OP's responsibility to put in adequate information. If you're going to do a job - do it right! 

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> > If you were actually curious you'd spend the 10
> > seconds it takes to look it up. But you're not
> > curious, you just search the threads for things
> to
> > bitch about.
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> If a poster is serious about people reading their
> thread and taking an interest then it's the OP's
> responsibility to put in adequate information. If
> you're going to do a job - do it right! 

That's a very passive understanding of what reading is. This is the problem with people today: they expect everything to just be handed to them without having to work for it. Taking an interest means being interested enough to go learn something.
- L.F.

When I visit and read Trainorders, I am looking for information. I am not looking for clues or looking to start a research project.
Thanks to those who post information.

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Here's a train buff friendly version of a timetable for the Yale Sub.,  likely out of date. It will get you in the ballpark, but may still leave the rivet counters disappointed;)

http://www.okthepk.ca/foamerFiles/cnYale.htm



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/04/20 12:05 by xcnsnake.

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> > > >       And WHERE is the Yale Sub on what
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> > > If you were actually curious you'd spend the
> 10
> > > seconds it takes to look it up. But you're
> not
> > > curious, you just search the threads for
> things
> > to
> > > bitch about.
> >
> > If a poster is serious about people reading
> their
> > thread and taking an interest then it's the
> OP's
> > responsibility to put in adequate information.
> If
> > you're going to do a job - do it right! 
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> That's a very passive understanding of what
> reading is. This is the problem with people today:
> they expect everything to just be handed to them
> without having to work for it. Taking an interest
> means being interested enough to go learn
> something.

Amen, Loleta.

The OP did his "job" by posting a very interesting and current photo, along with the mileages. It's not his responsibilty to write an encyclopedia entry.

However, for those who just have to know, the photo shows the east end rockshed of the Hells Gate tunnel (which has rocksheds at each end, added in 1961/63), at Mile 7.2, CN Yale Subdivision, BC Sub-Region, Western Region, located seven miles west of downtown Boston Bar, directly below and not visible from the Trans-Canada Highway, parallel to the mighty Fraser River (note, not the Frasier or Frazier).



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If not for Yale, what is now British Columbia could be part of the USA.

Yale is as far east that gold prospectors from California could follow the Fraser River . Just east of Yale, the river passes through a steep walled canyon. Yale suddenly had a big population of gold miners anxious to get to the Cariboo Gold Fields much further upstream. 

With nothing to do, and no nearby Government, the miners talked of annexing this part of BC to the US.  Somehow, the Governor of the British Colony of Vancouver Island got wind of a planned insurrection. The only soldiers available to quell the Americans were the "Sappers", the Royal Engineers who were building a dockyard near Victoria. An early sternwheeler was commandeered , and armed with a small cannon. The "Battle of Yale" was anticipated but when the steamboat arrived, a delegation of miners greeted the sappers with a fancy tea set.

Making a long story short, the leader of the miners and the commanding officer of the Royal Engineers made an agreement to build a road up to the goldfields with the help of the miners. The road was quickly built, including the Royal Alexandra steel suspension bridge over the Fraser River some distance upstream.

The Cariboo Gold Rush of 1869 ran its course, with some getting rich and most not. However, many of the miners settled in British Columbia and based on their treatment by the Royal Engineers, chose to become loyal subjects of Queen Victoria.

loleta Wrote:
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> That's a very passive understanding of what
> reading is. This is the problem with people today:
> they expect everything to just be handed to them
> without having to work for it. Taking an interest
> means being interested enough to go learn
> something.

The problem with people today?... Don't get me started on the problem with old farts...

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> > reading is. This is the problem with people
> today:
> > they expect everything to just be handed to
> them
> > without having to work for it. Taking an
> interest
> > means being interested enough to go learn
> > something.
>
> The problem with people today?... Don't get me
> started on the problem with old farts...

You missed the irony in my comment. The  comment history of the person I confronted suggests that he fits the category you identify, which is why I turned the old fart trope of "kids today" back on the demographic that likes to wield it.

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> If a poster is serious about people reading their
> thread and taking an interest then it's the OP's
> responsibility to put in adequate information. If
> you're going to do a job - do it right! 


Several generations ago, I wrote a monthly column about Amtrak for a railfan mag. My publisher insisted that whenever I mentioned an Amtrak train I characterize it by its end points (eg the Seattle Los Angeles Coast Starlight) . "Not everyone reading your column will know as much about the train/route as you do" he would bellow. I can't say that I always enjoyed adding the extra info, but I do have to agree it was a good idea back in the days before google.

I think the moral is if you want to share info on TrainOrders, think about how much context it would be helpful to provide 

WP17

You know TrainOrders is becoming just like Virtual Railfan, a bunch of people who drop in and expect to be spoon fed with all the information THEY want! If they had been following the Canadian Railroads board they would have figured out pretty darn fast where the heck the Yale sub was. If they couldn't, well you know what, GOOGLE is your friend try using it! I swear they are just like those clueless people on VR who ask "when is the next train" when the description clearly states that there is no set schedule.

Tim
mp35mountain

And for those of you who don't know where mp35 of the mountain sub is.....LOOK IT UP.
End of rant, I'll get down off my soapbox.



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Getting a bit "Sikhist" of all this ranting. FYI Sikhist is a provincial park further up the canyon which affords fine views of the track and snowshed on the opposit bank.

Sure glad they didn't ask where the Cascade Subdivision is.

While we're at it, can somebody offer an explanation of the covered structure in the photo?

Is it a bridge with what had been space behind it for a water fall and then a rock shed on top of the bridge? Or someone had mentioned a rock shed with a hole in the floor on a previous post, was there solid ground under this rock shed at one time, or just air? Or maybe a side bridge right up againest the rock wall where water and rocks went over the shed roof? Or what have we here?

Or maybe it's already been repaired and therre is some new drama around the next corner.
tia.