European Railroad Discussion > Freight car identification help

I'm trying to identify what might be a European prototype, for the purpose of modeling. These are what seem like relatively recently purchased container cars owned by Iraqi Republic Railways. They appear to be about 80' long, with 3 trucks and an articulated joint in the middle. From what I have been able to find, this configuration seems to go by the name of "SGGRS." What I haven't seen, though, are any other cars (aside from these photos) that have such open frames, where the structural strength of the flat appears to be in the center, looking a lot like US "spine cars." Many SGGRS appear to be what in the US would be called a fishbelly flat shape.

I'm trying to find a model of the cars seen in these photographs, but since I can't find any other prototype example, I haven't yet figured out how to search of the models. Any ideas if these flats are unique, or where they are made?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/14/18 18:43 by inCHI.

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Marklin have stuff with similar looking trucks,but that's about it.
Regards,DK


https://www.walthers.com/cfl-flat-3-car-set#

inCHI Wrote:
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> I'm trying to identify what might be a European
> prototype, for the purpose of modeling. These are
> what seem like relatively recently purchased
> container cars owned by Iraqi Republic Railways.
> They appear to be about 80' long, with 3 trucks
> and an articulated joint in the middle. From what
> I have been able to find, this configuration seems
> to go by the name of "SGGRS." What I haven't seen,
> though, are any other cars (aside from these
> photos) that have such open frames, where the
> structural strength of the flat appears to be in
> the center, looking a lot like US "spine cars."
> Many SGGRS appear to be what in the US would be
> called a fishbelly flat shape.
>
> I'm trying to find a model of the cars seen in
> these photographs, but since I can't find any
> other prototype example, I haven't yet figured out
> how to search of the models. Any ideas if these
> flats are unique, or where they are made?

SGGRS is a UIC freight car code describing the the car as a container flat of 60 to 80 feet in length. However it doesn't look that long.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/14/18 21:45 by SOO6617.

Overseas shipping is in 20 or 40 ft containers for the most part. Car is likely about 40 ft inside..maybe 50 ft at the couplers.
RB

DKay Wrote:
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> Marklin have stuff with similar looking trucks,

The truck is a Y25, standard design for freight cars in Europe, capable of 120 kph (75 mph) and up to a 25 tonne axle load


SOO6617 Wrote:
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> SGGRS is a UIC freight car code describing the the
> car as a container flat of 60 to 80 feet in
> length. However it doesn't look that long.

They are articulated pairs, each one able to carry two 2TEU (or two 45') boxes, similar to these I saw in Hungary back in 2014. Looking at the spine type design they rather resemble these FEABs from Wagony Swidinica in Poland, which are non-articulated. Wagony Swidinica is a wholly owned subsidiary of Greenbrier and they certainly market an articulated spine type flat

https://www.gbrx.com/manufacturing/europe-rail/flat-wagons/sggrss-80-container-flat-wagon/



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/15/18 01:06 by 86235.

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86235 Wrote:

> They are articulated pairs, each one able to carry
> two 2TEU (or two 45') boxes, similar to these I
> saw in Hungary back in 2014. Looking at the spine
> type design they rather resemble these FEABs from
> Wagony Swidinica in Poland, which are
> non-articulated. Wagony Swidinica is a wholly
> owned subsidiary of Greenbrier and they certainly
> market an articulated spine type flat
>
> https://www.gbrx.com/manufacturing/europe-rail/fla
> t-wagons/sggrss-80-container-flat-wagon/

Thanks. That Wagony Swidinica car appears to be the prototype. Looks like it hasn't been made in HO yet. ACME, Mabar, and others have made several of the 80' or 90' articulated container cars, but they all have the fishbelly-looking design.

I would note, though, that this prototype is an 80' car only able to carry 40' containers, not 45'. For what I'm doing, that is important, because I have very tight curves and I don't know that the 90' car would work.