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Railroaders' Nostalgia > When were rolling crew changes phased out?Date: 05/20/25 20:43 When were rolling crew changes phased out? Author: Soo715 I don't know that they were ever common, but on certain railroads, at least for certain high-priority trains, crews would step off and the new crew step on in an orchestrated fashion without the train ever coming to a complete stop. Anyone have photos/examples of this practice? Or a good estimate on when this practice was eliminated forever? Thanks!
Date: 05/20/25 22:06 Re: When were rolling crew changes phased out? Author: sf1010 When was OSHA invented? Might be about the same time!
Date: 05/20/25 22:13 Re: When were rolling crew changes phased out? Author: PHall sf1010 Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > When was OSHA invented? Might be about the same > time! Nixon signed the law creating OSHA on Dec 29, 1970, agency stood up on April 28, 1971. Date: 05/21/25 04:16 Re: When were rolling crew changes phased out? Author: WM1977 I remember doing that type of crew change on the B&O as late as 1981 or so. Of course with the rule prohibiting getting on and off moving equipment it would have ended but that rule didn't happen until after i left train service.
CR Date: 05/21/25 07:24 Re: When were rolling crew changes phased out? Author: 3rdswitch In San Bernardino, CA, on Santa Fe until crews started running through, even though the head end almost always stopped, the caboose crew boarded and de boarded on the move right up until cabooses were gone.
JB Date: 05/21/25 07:35 Re: When were rolling crew changes phased out? Author: BCutter In the mid-1980s, I saw many a MoPAC train glide s-l-o-w-l-y through Poplar Bluff MO changing on the fly in front of the depot -- both the head end and the caboose folks.
Bruce Columbia MO Date: 05/21/25 08:29 Re: When were rolling crew changes phased out? Author: CCDeWeese I was with the TRRA in 1970 and I recall questions about OSHA and shop work practices and OSHA not having jurisdiction because of federal jurisdiction over railroads (ICC and FRA) and I think that later there were some agreements between OSHA and FRA.
Date: 05/21/25 11:09 Re: When were rolling crew changes phased out? Author: TAW CCDeWeese Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > I was with the TRRA in 1970 and I recall questions > about OSHA and shop work practices and OSHA not > having jurisdiction because of federal > jurisdiction over railroads (ICC and FRA) and I > think that later there were some agreements > between OSHA and FRA. Some time in the late 70s OSHA showed up in the Seattle dispatchers office. Dispatchers still used fountain pens and Parker blue-black permanent ink (most of us did). On the trainsheet (never in train order books, permit books, lineup books) we used bleach to erase when necessary. One can go to an office supply store (or could then) and buy a little bottle with a teaspoon of 'ink eradicor' for a few bucks, but that is not what we did. The contents of the little bottle were sodium hypoclorite. You can also buy a quart of sodium hypoclorite with brand names such as Clorox for the same price. Most offices had old Mercurochrome or iodine bottles with a glass rod applicator that were filled from the quart jug of bleach. The OSHA guy threw a fit. We were using bleach in a way that is not provided for in the instructions on the bottle. That's a violation. We must stop immediately and use the proper product to erase ink. The Chief explained that the bottle of ink eradicator and the bottle of bleach contained the exact same substance. That made no difference. The bottle of bleach did not asay on the label that it could be used to erase ink, so it can't be. Use the appropriately labeled substance or be fined. That led to buying an office store bottle of ink eraser for each (two) position and refilling them from a bottle of bleach hidden away in someone's locker. TAW Date: 05/21/25 13:00 Re: When were rolling crew changes phased out? Author: HardYellow Back in 2003, I once made a crew change in Tucson on an eastbound "Z". The inbound crew went out the back door, we went in the front, kicked off the brakes and started pulling. A one minute stop. I had a Roadforeman with me. As I recall, UP was trying to convince customers they could make the Los Angeles/ Chicago run as fast as BNSF..
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/25 15:13 by HardYellow. Date: 05/21/25 18:27 Re: When were rolling crew changes phased out? Author: EO My hunch is that rolling crew changes ceased as railroads began to prohibit getting on and off moving equipment in general, and that this varied by railroad.
Date: 05/22/25 00:01 Re: When were rolling crew changes phased out? Author: jgilmore Witnessed this a few times in the late 80s/early 90s by the yard office at Selkirk Yard on CR, mostly the hot TVLA train to Santa Fe...
JG Date: 05/22/25 08:13 Re: When were rolling crew changes phased out? Author: Laramie Saw Rio Grande do it in 1985 at Helper Utah.
Posted from Android Date: 05/22/25 10:42 Re: When were rolling crew changes phased out? Author: trainjunkie sf1010 Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > When was OSHA invented? Might be about the same time! OSHA has nothing to do with regulations pertaining to railroad operations or operating department employees. Date: 05/22/25 10:48 Re: When were rolling crew changes phased out? Author: ts1457 No trains are hot enough nowadays to get bothered about.
Date: 05/23/25 14:45 Re: When were rolling crew changes phased out? Author: Highspeed CCDeWeese Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > I was with the TRRA in 1970 and I recall questions > about OSHA and shop work practices and OSHA not > having jurisdiction because of federal > jurisdiction over railroads (ICC and FRA) and I > think that later there were some agreements > between OSHA and FRA. OSHA has no jurisdiction over rolling stock and on board operations. OSHA only has jurisdiction over non-mobile locations, like shop and office areas. Date: 05/23/25 22:00 Re: When were rolling crew changes phased out? Author: roustabout Highspeed Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > CCDeWeese Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I was with the TRRA in 1970 and I recall > questions > > about OSHA and shop work practices and OSHA not > > having jurisdiction because of federal > > jurisdiction over railroads (ICC and FRA) and I > > think that later there were some agreements > > between OSHA and FRA. > > > OSHA has no jurisdiction over rolling stock and on > board operations. > > OSHA only has jurisdiction over non-mobile > locations, like shop and office areas. That conflicts with something we dealt with on the Portland & Western. We were using the ex-Shawmut SW-9s on local jobs in 1998. They were handy and worked okay.. But, management said OSHA required toilets to be accessible to the crews so either we had to use a caboose of use one of the many GP units we had. That was the end of those end-cab units other than in either of our Albany yards. Date: 05/26/25 16:51 Re: When were rolling crew changes phased out? Author: WrongWayMurphy Mid 80's in Tyler Tx, Cotton Belt crews would hop off and alight on a slowly moving
MBSM or AutoParts Special. It was always a well planned crew change with grips exchanged in the process as well. Date: 06/02/25 10:45 Re: When were rolling crew changes phased out? Author: MILW86A I saw my first rolling crew change as a 10 year old at Ft Madison Iowa in the summer of 1979 waiting for my cousin to come in on the Lone Star.
It was neat. MILW86A |