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Eastern Railroad Discussion > 1st "freight" auto rack on the RF&P....?Date: 01/10/17 09:24 1st "freight" auto rack on the RF&P....? Author: rbx551985 Is it really true? A lone, brown (NS) auto rack is rolling north today on CSXT's RF&P Subdivision, near the rear of train Q416. This train rolled north through Ashland, Va. at 12:16 p.m.
The car in question, TTGX 992428 with brown frame and NORFOLK SOUTHERN logo, might mark the beginning of what's to come: since the Va. Ave. Tunnel under Washington DC is now enlarged and open to double stacked intermodal trains, it stands to reason that sooner than later CSX will start sending AUTO RACKS through as well, either in mixed freights as single cars or sets, or even unit trains. It's believed that THIS car is the first one like this to be sent through the CSX Va. Ave. Tunnel. How soon will more begin moving along this north-south route, now that the enlarged tunnel is open and clearance issues for double-stacks and auto racks on the RF&P Subdivision are largely settled? (This thread's title refers to the fact that Auto Train has been running with tall auto rack cars on the RF&P Sub as far north as Lorton for years, and on occasion [as in rare detours over NS], as far north as AF Interlocking, at Alexandria, Va. In the past, when "freight" auto rack cars came off the A-Line northward into Acca Yard in Richmond, they were immediately placed on the next availble southbound, as up until the recent opening of the enlarged Va. Ave. Tunnel, there was no practical reason to send any such cars north on the RF&P.) So, it begins............. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/17 09:27 by rbx551985. Date: 01/10/17 09:45 Re: 1st "freight" auto rack on the RF&P....? Author: rbx551985 AUTO RACK unit trains..... what markets might CSXT be able to open up now that the Va. Ave. Tunnel is open? Or, do they already have definitive plans in the making that we simply haven't yet heard about? Time will tell, but it's a given that we can now see some of those mammoth auto rack unit trains (like the huge auto rack trainsets on the line through Pittsburgh, Pa. and Cumberland, Md.) moving north-south on the RF&P Subdivison to-from whatever automotive markets the railroad carrier is able to open. Any thoughts and/or speculation as to how soon this might come about?
Date: 01/10/17 12:17 Re: 1st "freight" auto rack on the RF&P....? Author: PennPlat Seems like lots of auto racks unload near Jessup Md, CSX yard.
Date: 01/10/17 12:35 Re: 1st "freight" auto rack on the RF&P....? Author: ddavies Jessup is for WDC area distribution.
Years ago, racks came south on the B&O, west to Shenandoah Junction, handed over to NW to take south to Lynchburg, then east to Petersburg, where they were given to CSX at Collier Yard to continue south. Some of the manufacturing facilities that use this routing may have closed by now. Date: 01/10/17 13:56 Re: 1st "freight" auto rack on the RF&P....? Author: fl9turbo maybe now they can run the Auto-Train all the way to Wilmington or closer to Philly
Date: 01/10/17 15:43 Re: 1st "freight" auto rack on the RF&P....? Author: Lackawanna484 When the AutoTrain is on time, there's about 7 hours between arrival and departure. Eating two hours north and two hours back will eat a lot of padding.
Posted from Android Date: 01/10/17 15:50 Re: 1st "freight" auto rack on the RF&P....? Author: florida581 rbx551985 Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > AUTO RACK unit trains..... what markets might CSXT > be able to open up now that the Va. Ave. Tunnel is > open? Or, do they already have definitive plans > in the making that we simply haven't yet heard > about? Time will tell, but it's a given that we > can now see some of those mammoth auto rack unit > trains (like the huge auto rack trainsets on the > line through Pittsburgh, Pa. and Cumberland, Md.) > moving north-south on the RF&P Subdivison to-from > whatever automotive markets the railroad carrier > is able to open. Any thoughts and/or speculation > as to how soon this might come about? CSX's current network of autorack trains, whether directly from assembly plants or from interchange, seem to revolve around three hubs: Louisville, Walbridge, and Connellsville. All current autorack trains through the DC and Baltimore area comes from one of those three hubs, except Q276 from Detroit. I'm not ruling out that any potentially new autorack trains through that area would go up the RF&P, however, an RF&P routing from one of those three hubs would be circuitous. Andrew Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/17 15:52 by florida581. Date: 01/10/17 15:55 Re: 1st "freight" auto rack on the RF&P....? Author: deeck ttgx 992428 is a LOADED auto rack that has had the following trip:
ROUTE: CN MEMPH CSXT CTA : ORIGINAL ETA: DEC 30 1415 QRG 3 CTA STATUS: NO COMMITMENT CURRENT ETA: JAN 18 1415 QRG 3 S ACT STATION DATE TIME ACT CONNECTION BLOCK IYSC SECC CONTL# L REC HARYARMEMTN DEC 20 1100 FRM CN LOUA 705019 DEP HARYARMEMTN DEC 20 1435 Y22220 LO NAS L ARV MEMPHIS TN DEC 20 1445 Y22220 LO NAS 207891 DEP MEMPHIS TN DEC 21 0215 Q53220 NAS NAS L ARV BRUCETON TN DEC 21 0716 Q53220 NAS NAS 439184 L TRF BRUCETON TN DEC 21 0717 TO SRLEF9 542806 L REL BRUCETON TN DEC 24 0550 FRM SRLEF9 554167 DEP BRUCETON TN DEC 24 0551 Q52824 NAS LOUA L ARV NASHVILLETN DEC 26 1807 Q52824 NAS LOUA 237424 L TRF NASHVILLETN DEC 26 1808 TO SRLEF9 607912 DEP NASHVILLETN DEC 28 1620 Y22228 LO NAS L ARV KAYAVENUETN DEC 28 1630 Y22228 LO NAS L REL KAYAVENUETN DEC 28 1759 FRM SRLEF9 DEP KAYAVENUETN DEC 28 1800 Q27028 LOUA DORF L ARV LOUISVILLKY DEC 29 0406 Q27028 LOUA DORF DEP LOUISVILLKY DEC 31 0605 L23730 ORLA DORF L ARV BIRMINGHAAL DEC 31 2346 L23730 ORLA DORF DEP BIRMINGHAAL JAN 01 0757 L23730 ORLA DORF L ARV WAYCROSS GA JAN 02 0016 L23730 ORLA DORF L TRF WAYCROSS GA JAN 02 0017 TO SRLEF9 L BO WAYCROSS GA JAN 02 0409 TO SBADO9 DORF L TRF WAYCROSS GA JAN 03 1643 TO SRTRK9 L REL WAYCROSS GA JAN 04 2033 FRM SBADO9 DORF L REL WAYCROSS GA JAN 05 1432 FRM SRTRK9 NAS L REL WAYCROSS GA JAN 07 0217 FRM SRLEF9 DEP WAYCROSS GA JAN 07 0218 Q41007 RMT NAS L ARV EASSAVANNGA JAN 07 1041 Q41007 RMT NAS DEP EASSAVANNGA JAN 07 1110 Q41007 RMT NAS L ARV CHARLESTOSC JAN 07 1501 Q41007 RMT NAS DEP CHARLESTOSC JAN 07 1528 Q41007 RMT NAS L ARV FLORENCE SC JAN 07 1930 Q41007 RMT NAS DEP FLORENCE SC JAN 07 2319 Q41007 RMT CBL L ARV ROCMOUNT NC JAN 08 1511 Q41007 RMT CBL DEP ROCMOUNT NC JAN 10 0219 Q41610 CBL CBL L ARV RICACCA VA JAN 10 1157 Q41610 CBL CBL DEP RICACCA VA JAN 10 1120 Q41610 CBL CBL L ARV BRUNSWICKMD JAN 10 1825 Q41610 CBL CBL L SAR CUMBERLANMD JAN 10 1915 Q41610 CBL WILW SDE CUMBERLANMD JAN 12 0430 Q37512 WILW L SAR WILWEST OH JAN 12 2100 Q37512 WILW CLEC SDE WILWEST OH JAN 14 0700 Y19514 LO2 L SAR WILLARD OH JAN 14 1200 Y19514 LO2 CLEC SDE WILLARD OH JAN 16 0930 L35616 CLEC L SAR CLECOLLINOH JAN 16 1315 L35616 CLEC DORF SDE CLECOLLINOH JAN 17 0830 Q25416 DORF L SAR DORAUTRAMNJ JAN 18 1415 Q25416 DORF DORA Date: 01/10/17 16:07 Re: 1st "freight" auto rack on the RF&P....? Author: 41bridge Doremus Ave. is in Newark, NJ. Is the above routing logical? Memphis-Louisville-Cumberland, MD, Willard, OH-Cleveland- Doremus Ave? I guess it has to do with clearance issues but it is sure a roundabout route.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/17 16:10 by 41bridge. Date: 01/10/17 19:22 Re: 1st "freight" auto rack on the RF&P....? Author: cinder Andrew.....I am repeatedly impressed with your factual knowlege of trains and their schedules in the eastern US. Tell us more about your railfan history and your sources.
Date: 01/10/17 19:23 Re: 1st "freight" auto rack on the RF&P....? Author: JLinDE No the CSX route shown is not logical. there must hve been a purpose behind it, unknown. Doremus Ave auto rack terminal in North Jersy can only be reached from anywhere on CSX by dropping down from Selkirk, NY. This is due to a non-auto-rack clearance at Darby PA called Boone tunnel. It is short, about 700 feet, but CSX has not chosen to clear it yet .But with Virginia Ave tunnel now cleared for stacks CSX can certainly handle enclosed auto racks north on the ex-B&O to auto terminals on CSX at Jessup, Curtis Bay and Twin Oaks, PA near Chester. They just have to market the service and i suspect they will. And Auto Train could come to Twin Oaks also, but Wilsmere, DE would be a better terminal, at the old GM plant auto rack site. Sixty car spots, a building, and a fenced in area paved for parking. If that happens we loose our train watching spot. I agree the extra distance would requie a third trainset of Auto-Train cars. But maybe that would be worth it to them. Time will tell. jl
Date: 01/10/17 21:31 Re: 1st "freight" auto rack on the RF&P....? Author: DJ-12 The logical flows for any auto traffic on the RF&P would be:
1. Traffic from CSX served assembly plants in the southeast (Kia in West Point GA, Hyundai at Montgomery Al, Honda at Talladega AL, and others) to Jessup and Twin Oaks. This traffic presently has to run north through Corbin or Nashville to Cincy, before heading up to the B&O to turn east. 2. Traffic from Michigan, Ontario and Ohio plants to Virginia and North Carolina via the B&O and RFP. These are areas that CSX could never effectively serve because of the clearance issue, but would require the not insignificant investment in ramp facilities to accomplish this. as noted, CSX prefers to run finished vehicles in dedicated trains where possible and I don't know critical mass exists in these lanes to warrant establishment of service. Date: 01/11/17 01:30 Re: 1st "freight" auto rack on the RF&P....? Author: Chessie At one time years ago someone was shipping (non-new) vehicles from Twin Oaks PA to the Southeast via Cincinnati. I believe these were used vehicle models that were more popular with FL demographics, though some may have also been shipments for "snow birds".
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